God save the queen her fascist regime.

[Oscar]

Er no, actually we have a nation that was founded on a document intended to prevent that, and we now have a process based on that treaty attempting to set right some of those wrongs.

I'd love to see a process to set right some of the wrongs the monarchy in particular and the aristocracy in general have inflicted on the British people (actually, include the Church in that too).

I'm singling out one family because it's relevant to me - I hope to escape the parasites and die in the Republic of New Zealand.

Actually, I would support you in that aim.
As an ex-pat Englishman I struggle to see the relevance of the Monarchy in NZ.
The Irish or Indian model would suit us fine.

In respect of righting wrongs, it's a slippery slope - how far back do you go?
Who do you involve?
The Church and the Aristocracy, sure...but what about Industrialists?
They caused untold suffering from the Industrial Revolution to recent times.
Politicians? Some were as corrupt and venal as those groups above...

Kick out the Hanoverian Royal Family?

Make Tudor descendants rebuild the monasteries destroyed by Henry VIII?

Deport all those with Norman names back to France...all Gingas back to Denmark?

[SixPackBack]

It's funny (not to mention somewhat hypocritical) that you should leap to the defense of the phlegm garglers and crap on about "respect", before insulting every British citizen in the room.

You swear allegiance to the Queen of NZ, not the Queen of England. She is the current Head of State (and you don't have to swear on a bible).

Where are you living?
In NZ?
Was it not taken mostly by force?
Maybe you should start by giving you own neighborhood back to the local Iwi before worrying about Buckingham Palace...

How is bagging the crown insulting to the British?? I am British and hate those bludging thieving coonts with a passion.

Giving some of the stolen land back to Iwi is a bloody good start to righting some of the wrongs committed under queen and country.

It sounds a lot like you are defending the use of force?

[Oscar]

How is bagging the crown insulting to the British?? I am British and hate those bludging thieving coonts with a passion.

Giving some of the stolen land back to Iwi is a bloody good start to righting some of the wrongs committed under queen and country.

It sounds a lot like you are defending the use of force?

Bagging the crown is insulting to at least some British (not to mention the odd Kiwi), and you were the one coming over all touchy feely about the Welsh. I was pointing out your hypocrisy, not commenting on the substance of your opinion (very slight though it is).

I'm not defending the use of force, merely pointing out the obvious fact that most Nation/States (including NZ) are founded on it.

So if we indulge your vengeance fantasies for a minute - who would you give Buckingham Palace back to?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Personally, I'm one of the "NZ will be a republic when they pry my weapons from my cold dead hands" lot.

I'd go so far as to advocate abolishing parliamant and just having the GG as the ruler of the country. Politicians are scum.

I nearly agree.

[Mr Merde]

...- who would you give Buckingham Palace back to?

You dnt have to give it back to anyone. It is a public building owned by the government and therefore the people, not by the Queen, unlike Windsor

[SixPackBack]

You dnt have to give it back to anyone. It is a public building owned by the government and therefore the people, not by the Queen, unlike Windsor

Kick 'em out. They can apply for a council flat.
Would you have a problem with me living rent free in the Mansion house?

[Dave Lobster]

Kick 'em out. They can apply for a council flat.

She wouldn't qualify for one. For a start, she's white, married.. and doesn't have any illegitimate children (one of which should be of black. Brown at the very least). And still puts in far more hours a week in her 80s than most of the proletariat put in in their 20s.

Madonna on the other hand..

[MisterD]

Who do you involve?
The Church and the Aristocracy, sure...but what about Industrialists?
They caused untold suffering from the Industrial Revolution to recent times.
Politicians? Some were as corrupt and venal as those groups above...

Industrialists? Like Titus Salt or Josiah Wedgewood? George and Robert Stephenson are ancestors of mine...what did they do wrong?

[Max Preload]

Would you have a problem with me living rent free in the Mansion house?

Perhaps not if you were of better breeding...

[JacksColdSweat]

Where are you living?
In NZ?
Was it not taken mostly by force?

Actually, no

The treaty of Waitangi came first (in peacetime)

True, there was annexing of lands during the land wars and that's why we now have the Waitangi Tribunal

But NZ is one of the only nations in the world established (or at least attempted) in peace...

Just saying...

[Bikernereid]

Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England (puritan)
Born in 1599, died in 1658 (september)


The man with the right idea....and to all the Irish Catholics that believe the hype:

A man with the right ideas to start with but then he proclaimed himself monarch- hypocricy and meglomis me thinks!! Power currupts, absolute power corruts absolutley.

[Bikernereid]

Further to this the one argument I have heard in favour of the monarchy that is an interesting one (not that I agree with it - it's just interesting) is that the advantage to the monarchy is that you have people who are trained in leadership

In essence (as I understand the argument) the monarchs experience a very long apprenticeship in leadership - they are often educated overseas, they spend time in developing nations assisting with those programs, they mix with the rich and famous - all the time being mentored by other monarchs and staff

the idea is that they see the whole world and they have intimate knowledge of various walks of life which leads them to be better leaders and decision makers

Take that away and you have people with rather narrow experiences making all our decisions for us... businessmen or former socialists... all pushing us in a narrow direction rather than a considered and broad one...

like I say - interesting - I can understand the argument - I don't know if I agree with it

EDIT: Skyryder we don't have a constitution... so the step to a republic would also need that to be drafted and written and debated endlessly

Have you ever heard Prince Philip, that man offends people of all walks of life everytime he opens his bloody mouth. His is one of the best arguments for NO monarchy. REPUBLICANS FOREVER!!!

[Dave Lobster]

Have you ever heard Prince Philip, that man offends people of all walks of life everytime he opens his bloody mouth. His is one of the best arguments for NO monarchy. REPUBLICANS FOREVER!!!

He offends (precious) people that want to be offended.

[jonbuoy]

Have you ever heard Prince Philip, that man offends people of all walks of life everytime he opens his bloody mouth. His is one of the best arguments for NO monarchy. REPUBLICANS FOREVER!!!

Prince Philip is bloody hilarious. You've all made your decisions to leave the UK quit whining about it and get on with your lives.

[Bikernereid]

Examples..

Prince Andrew slammed over £6K helicopter trip By Ryan Parry 23/02/2009

Prince Andrew was yesterday slammed for using a helicopter for a trip of only 70 miles - costing taxpayers around £6,000.

The Duke of York, once dubbed Air Miles Andy, flew from Royal Lodge in Windsor to Shoreham, West Sussex, to open a toll bridge.

Going first class by train would have cost £271.80 - £90.60 each for him, his secretary and a policeman.

By Robert Jobson and Ryan Sabey, 10/01/2009

ROYAL rebel Prince Harry today stands accused of racism in a bombshell home video as he swaggers in front of his army comrades.

The soldier prince pours shame on the Royal Family as he calls an Asian squaddie “our little Paki friend” and tells another officer cadet jokingly wearing a camouflage veil off duty: “F*** me, you look like a raghead”—an offensive term for an Arab.

Harry says sorry for Nazi costume

Prince Harry was photographed at a friend's fancy dress party
Prince Harry has apologised for wearing a swastika armband to a friend's fancy dress party.


Prince Philip

In Scotland

One of his most notorious remarks was made during a small town visit in Scotland. In a brief conversation with a driving instructor, he asked, "How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to get them through the (road) test?"

When touring a Scottish factory, he came upon an old-fashioned fuse box and commented, "It looks like it was put in by an Indian."

Also in Scotland, after the tragic 1993 crash of a Pan Am jumbo jet that also killed eleven townspeople in Lockerbie, the Prince said to a person who lived near the crash, "People usually say that after a fire it is water damage that is the worst. We are still trying to dry out Windsor Castle."

In China

The Prince's most publicized example of foot-in-mouth disease came during a visit to China. Upon meeting a group of British students, he said, "If you stay here much longer, you'll all be slitty-eyed."

Another one of the Prince's most famous Asian slurs: "If it has four legs and is not a chair, has wings and is not an airplane, or swims and is not a submarine, the Cantonese will eat it."

In Australia

In a 2002 visit to Australia, Prince Philip asked an Aborigine, "Still throwing spears?"

In the Islands

He once told a group of deaf children standing near a Jamaican steel drum musician, "Deaf? If you are near there, no wonder you are deaf."


Yes us Brits have so much to be proud of about our Royal family!!