Motorcycle counter-sitting

[quickbuck]

Its not about turning slowly, its about turning with a very tight radius.

With confidence and practice, you will never have to do a 3 point turn again.

Exactly.
The thing is you can actually do this without having to move your butt though......
I think cowboyz may have found this out... or he is still practicing.

I naturally twist my body around to look over my shoulder, but there is no real need to throw the bike deeper into the turn than I already do by "counter sitting".

[cowboyz]

i was going to respond but spent all day yesterday going round in circles. I dont "counter-sit" I do move my weight to the outside of the turn.
TBH- Another technical term to confuse newbies - thats it.

[quickbuck]

TBH- Another technical term to confuse newbies - thats it.

Totally agree.

[Maki]

I tried countersitting today and it actually works, you can turn on a dime. Just remember to stick to the basics and look where you want to go.

[quickbuck]

........ and look where you want to go.

The most important part for sure.

In the video the demonstrator wasn't even turning his head enough for a tight turn, so I guess the effectiveness of the demonstration was lost.

[cowboyz]

Exactly.
The thing is you can actually do this without having to move your butt though......
I think cowboyz may have found this out... or he is still practicing.

I naturally twist my body around to look over my shoulder, but there is no real need to throw the bike deeper into the turn than I already do by "counter sitting".

I went out and practiced it and thought, what a crock of shit. Pointless waste of time.

They yesterday I was in town on a very narrow street and wanted to do a Uturn and flicked the bike around. As I was striaghtening up and accelerating down the street I noticed that I WAS COUNTERSITTING!!!!!!!

I did note that I did not intentionally move my arse off the seat but rather pushed the bike out from under me so my arse was off (well half off) the seat.

Might be something to it.

Might just be something else to confuse newbies.....

[Spuds1234]

I did note that I did not intentionally move my arse off the seat but rather pushed the bike out from under me so my arse was off (well half off) the seat.

Might be something to it.

Might just be something else to confuse newbies.....

Thats exactly how its done. You push the bike out with your arms and when you push far enough you have to move your bum.

[sharon333]

Sounds easy enough. I will have to practice that technique.

[CookMySock]

Another little trick to add to this, is managing lean angle using the throttle. This is much easier on a little single or vtwin bike, rather than a peaky on-or-off inline four.

So when you are tipped into the U turn and holding a constant radius(ish) turn, the bike might tip into the turn a little too far and feel like it will topple inwards - you have three options at this point ;

a. dab your inside foot on the ground for some support, and to ease the brain-loading

b. turn the bars towards the corner a little, as to stand the bike up

c. add a tiny bit of throttle to add to the bikes' centrifugal force(sic).


Method (a) is the traditional one, but it isn't a good look, its not good practice, or the road forward for the sport bikers' career.

Method (b) works as well, but its not productive, as it widens the turn, which is the opposite of what we need to achieve.

Method (c) is the hardest to learn, but it keeps the turn tight, teaches throttle-control, and forces the rider to trust the bike.


Steve

[MarkH]

Another little trick to add to this, is managing lean angle using the throttle.

That was pretty well explained

[BMWST?]

Another little trick to add to this, is managing lean angle using the throttle.

Steve

And its the only way to do it if you are turning so sharply that you are already are on full lock...if you push the bike down even more it seems to make the bike turn sharper still,but your are really dependent on clutch and throttle then!.

[quickbuck]

I went out and practiced it and thought, what a crock of shit. Pointless waste of time.

They yesterday I was in town on a very narrow street and wanted to do a Uturn and flicked the bike around. As I was striaghtening up and accelerating down the street I noticed that I WAS COUNTERSITTING!!!!!!!

I did note that I did not intentionally move my arse off the seat but rather pushed the bike out from under me so my arse was off (well half off) the seat.

Might be something to it.

Might just be something else to confuse newbies.....

Must admit I have been taking different bikes to the end of the street and seeing how tight I can turn them around.....

Yes, a good throttle and clutch can see me turning the bike on full lock after the short 100m ride.... From never ridden the bike before.

To turn tighter I do actually chuck the bike in... okay, gently guide it into the turn, all the time sitting above the bike.... and looking well over my inside shoulder.

Call it what you like, but I still call it a full lock turn.
To save confusion I don't think I will use the term countersitting.....
Where you place your butt (if you even move it) shouldn't be the name of what you are actually doing.

See, you are making a tight turn. Where you put your butt to achieve that is more of a side effect.

It would be like calling Emergency Braking "Sitting upright" IMHO

[dpex]

Not sure if this is the right forum but, anyway.

In a number of posts in past the issue of where our weight should be displaced has attracted many vigorous comments; the inside knee out and body weight shifted into the turn and onto the pegs, being the most favoured approach.

But, surely, physics says that a better approach would be to shift max weight to the outside peg, while hanging out as far as possible, off the bike, in the opposite direction to the turn.

Surely, such would produce a counterweight to the forces attempting to lay the bike down?

Given that no racer I have ever seen does this I'd be keen to know what I'm missing here.

[Skyryder]

Too complicated for my physics. Just watch the racers. If it works for them.............



Skyyrder

[sinfull]

I do this on my way to the shitter on occasion