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    Advice please: Telling someone they need to show more initiative

    Well, as most of you are aware, I’m not a very diplomatic person but I’m currently in a position where I want to tell someone to show more initiative. This particular person is a 21-year-old male who’s in his very first job since leaving polytech. He is very, very shy and does not speak unless spoken to.

    I’m a bit of a chatterbox in the office (gee, no surprises there!) and my constant chatting effectively forces him to communicate with me. I think he feels comfortable around me whereas the other people seem to intimidate him. This is why I want to drop a flea in his ear about showing more initiative because the other people in the office are starting to notice that he lacks it. I’m one of five people in the company and two of these people are our employers (who spend much of their time working remotely).

    Let me give an example of where he lacks initiative. As some background, our office got lightly flooded due to the atrocious weather last weekend. Our young chap was the only person there on Monday/Tuesday. For two days, he was surrounded by a pungent odour that I can only describe as smelling like damp laundry. I got back to work on Wednesday to discover this wretched stench and develop a headache within 30 minutes. I’m quickly told that my workmate had endured two days of headaches and feeling ill due to this. I saw the other company on our floor had dehumidifiers running flat-out so I promptly rang the property manager and asked him to sort something out for us. Problem solved, okay.

    Now, our guy is only 21 and I understand that he has no life experience and a lot to learn. I wouldn’t expect him to ring the property manager but when your employer is aware that you’re alone in the office and rings to ask how things are going, would you not expect anyone with brains to say that the floor is flooded and that it’s making your feel unwell? Maybe he could have asked for help or for a name of who he should contact to get it fixed?

    This isn’t an isolated situation. Another example (relating to a lack of communication skills) was when we hired out our meeting room and the hardware died while about 10 people were using it. Our young guy (employed as a Sys Admin/Jnr Developer) looked at the server then walked back to his desk, sat down without saying a word, then continued working. We asked him if it was going again and he said “No” then continued working. Naturally, we pressured him for information asking “so what are you doing about it? Does Al [the boss] need to come in?” then we made him phone our boss. Once he ended the phone call, he didn’t say a word about what was happening (that the boss was coming in and would be there in 10 minutes) although we had paying customers sitting there waiting for us to fix it and having no idea what was going on.

    I don’t want to be brutal on this guy but his lack of actions is really starting to frustrate the people that work in the office every day. He is kind of delicate and will be easily broken. What is the kindest way to tell this guy to think for himself, act without being asked, and to let people know what’s going on?

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    Have you seen the unemployment stats rising ? You are expendable ! Unless you make the boss smile ! And trust me blowing him dosen't work !
    Try that ! If it don't work i at least hope it will make you smile at the obvious Piss take !
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    Tell it to him dead straight. Many people that age would not take a hint, even if it hit him on the head with a sledgehammer. Tell him exactly what you think and what he should do to improve himself. Do it in private in the nicest possible way.
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    Most 21 year old men/boys are shy, retiring little creatures Motogirl, I am picking this poor kid is absolutely shit scared of you. Pick a time you can sit down and have a reasonably relaxed chat, smoko or something. Go gently with him, tell him you are not going to eat him, but...

    Then clearly explain what he needs to be doing to be a team player at work, if he is good at other things stroke his ego and make him feel good, but spell out really clearly where he is not making the grade. Not sure if you have hire/fire power where you are, but make it clear that his lack of getting involved is being noticed and he needs to get his shit together.
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    Part of the problem may be a poor uppbringing, parents who never let go and never let him take responsibility. If you are pampered all your life and everything comes to you without you having to lift a finger, then your initiative is going to suffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MotoGirl View Post

    I’m a bit of a chatterbox in the office (gee, no surprises there!) and my constant chatting effectively forces him to communicate with me.


    Our young guy (employed as a Sys Admin/Jnr Developer)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MotoGirl View Post
    He is kind of delicate and will be easily broken.
    Sounds like a classic gen whY geek. Also known as the "what's in it for me?" generation.

    At 21 he should know what's expected in a work situation and/or be sucking up as much correct behavior from his peers (in the office) as possible.

    You *can* mentor 20% of his type so do try the nice approach. Just explain the deal. Ask them to show they've got it by thinking of a different way to deal with an example situation you've had. Mind you it'll take a few goes over a long time to work so be prepared for the long haul.

    On the other hand 80% of his type will either fall to pieces having never been told they were wrong before (welcome to soft old NZ) or even worse not give a shit because the concepts of recession and unemployment are unknown to the under 25s. Think that'll change pretty quick

    That's just my experience with people that age in IT...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MotoGirl View Post
    Well, as most of you are aware, I’m not a very diplomatic person ...

    Let me give an example of where he lacks initiative. As some background, our office got lightly flooded due to the atrocious weather last weekend. Our young chap was the only person there on Monday/Tuesday. For two days, he was surrounded by a pungent odour that I can only describe as smelling like damp laundry. I got back to work on Wednesday to discover this wretched stench and develop a headache within 30 minutes. I’m quickly told that my workmate had endured two days of headaches and feeling ill due to this. I saw the other company on our floor had dehumidifiers running flat-out so I promptly rang the property manager and asked him to sort something out for us. Problem solved, okay.
    He feels insecure (new at his job and worried he'll look like a wouse if he complains) and is intimidated by all the dominant people around him. He's still a chicken.

    Quote Originally Posted by MotoGirl View Post
    Now, our guy is only 21 ... Our young guy (employed as a Sys Admin/Jnr Developer) looked at the server then walked back to his desk, sat down without saying a word, then continued working. We asked him if it was going again and he said “No” then continued working. Naturally, we pressured him for information asking “so what are you doing about it? Does Al [the boss] need to come in?” then we made him phone our boss. Once he ended the phone call, he didn’t say a word about what was happening (that the boss was coming in and would be there in 10 minutes) although we had paying customers sitting there waiting for us to fix it and having no idea what was going on.
    going on?
    He needs to know that if he doesn't communicate and be a bit more assertive he's going to screw up a sweet job, possibly career. Find out what his dream / life goal is and let him know his skills and abilities are on an equal. If he feels inferior he will become inferior.
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    Theres a very appropriate phrase that needs to be used here: "Grow some balls".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mom View Post
    Most 21 year old men/boys are shy, retiring little creatures Motogirl, I am picking this poor kid is absolutely shit scared of you. Pick a time you can sit down and have a reasonably relaxed chat, smoko or something. Go gently with him, tell him you are not going to eat him, but...

    Then clearly explain what he needs to be doing to be a team player at work, if he is good at other things stroke his ego and make him feel good, but spell out really clearly where he is not making the grade. Not sure if you have hire/fire power where you are, but make it clear that his lack of getting involved is being noticed and he needs to get his shit together.
    What she said ... but he may want you to eat him....
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    Quote Originally Posted by FJRider View Post
    What she said ... but he may want you to eat him....

    Yuk! He would be soooooo down the road if that was the case and I had hire/fire power...LOL

    Seriously though, some inexperienced/immature/young men can be submissive to a really incapacitating state in the face of an alpha female, and some of them can be down right hostile.
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    Nonono,

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    No offense intented whatsoever, but if you have to ask this on KB, should you be the one in a position to tell this chap to sharpen up? I would think a situation like this falls under very basic leadership skills. Are you his boss or are you both on a similar level?

    Again, no offense intended, just trying to understand the situation.

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    As above, what Mom said stroke his ego ! Like a dog kids are, they respond well to praise, badly to repremand ! Find the good bits and wooohoooo him, he will search for other ways to get more of them woohooos ! Slap him down and he will withdraw !
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    Do not stroke his ego. He needs to be politely and firmly put in his place or he will just take the mickey forever more.

    Start with a verbal warning. Put it on his record. He's done more than enough to earn one, inclusing being disrespectful to fellow workers and paying customers.

    Make him fill in a timesheet in half hour chunks and make sure there is clear proof that he actually did the work he claims he did, like a PO number or job number.

    Don't coddle him. It's all he's ever experienced. Rude awakening time. We have a Gen-Y type in our team and we have resorted to constant humiliation and invective to motivate him. Along with him having to own the issues he is given to work on or resolve.

    There will be whining. When the whining starts hand him the previously documented written warning.

    Don't piss about. He's costing your organisation money.

    The conversation should start with clearly outlining your expectations in regard to his achievements. Then you need to clearly lay out the consequences. No one has ever done that for him before, so be prepared for whining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KiwiKat View Post
    He needs to know that if he doesn't communicate and be a bit more assertive he's going to screw up a sweet job, possibly career. Find out what his dream / life goal is and let him know his skills and abilities are on an equal. If he feels inferior he will become inferior.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zoolander View Post
    No offense intented whatsoever, but if you have to ask this on KB, should you be the one in a position to tell this chap to sharpen up? I would think a situation like this falls under very basic leadership skills. Are you his boss or are you both on a similar level?

    Again, no offense intended, just trying to understand the situation.
    I'm not in any authoritive position over this guy, I just want to help him is all. I was 21 when I started working in IT and I had several people give me advice on how to make myself better. I can see this guy needs it and I want to pass on what I know and (hopefully) help make him aware of what this could do to his career.

    I have worked with non-assertive people in the past and I have seen them forced to resign because the manager told them they were in the wrong job. This guy has his heart set on being a developer and he has also expressed a desire to travel. We chatted to his tutors when he was at polytech and they were concerned that his shyness etc would make him unemployable.

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