Crash on Waterloo Quadrant/Princes St (12 March)

**Real_Wolf** · 15th March 2009, 23:46

Thats the thing though, its not just starting the manouver that counts, its having the spare space/time that, in the cases of free turns at traffic lights or parrallel parking, does not interfere with the flow of traffic, ie the car coming does not have to stop.

Technically a car turning accross a flow of traffic at an intersection, that is hit, is in the wrong (unless said flow is speeding traffic), simply because it was their job to judge the gap and pull out when it was safe, rather than to try to push in.

According to that, say your travelling along a motorway and a car pulls into your side. Your now in the wrong, because he started the manouver and you didn't give way to him

**ital916** · 16th March 2009, 05:00

Originally Posted by Real_Wolf

Thats the thing though, its not just starting the manouver that counts, its having the spare space/time that, in the cases of free turns at traffic lights or parrallel parking, does not interfere with the flow of traffic, ie the car coming does not have to stop.

Technically a car turning accross a flow of traffic at an intersection, that is hit, is in the wrong (unless said flow is speeding traffic), simply because it was their job to judge the gap and pull out when it was safe, rather than to try to push in.

According to that, say your travelling along a motorway and a car pulls into your side. Your now in the wrong, because he started the manouver and you didn't give way to him

ahh but this whole debate is based on the main (straight) traffic doing something to cause a problem i.e. the turning traffic has judged correctly but the straight traffic has sped up. Im not condoning people pulling out into traffic...not at all. My whole point was to say we cant jump down the throat of the driver just because he was turning traffic and the fact that the other party was on a motorcycle. We cant just be like, the car was wrong because cars drivers are evil.

In typical smc fashion though that point is lost and another random one about traffic is now being debated in circles, where eventually strength in numbers will start quoting discrepencies in my statements, eventually leaving me to grow bored and leave the thread in 3...2....1

**Squiggles** · 16th March 2009, 07:40

Originally Posted by Drider87

My whole point was to say we cant jump down the throat of the driver just because he was turning traffic and the fact that the other party was on a motorcycle. We cant just be like, the car was wrong because cars drivers are evil.

In typical smc fashion though that point is lost and another random one about traffic is now being debated in circles, where eventually strength in numbers will start quoting discrepencies in my statements, eventually leaving me to grow bored and leave the thread in 3...2....1

Given that nobody here has "jumped down the throat of the driver" i'd say that once again, you're off the mark. The difference between your debate and the kind Katman gets involved in is that the other people are actually arguing with him. We get "your" point and will probably soon start to take the piss out of its poor delivery.

Originally Posted by Drider87

it is a treacherous intersection as the traffic coming straight onto princes is coming up that incline, cars turning are at the top of the crest. You have no proof to support your speculation and I have no proof mine.

So lets continue to speculate then eh?

Dont be ignorant and ignore the fact that bikes belt their way aroudn there at insane speeds sometimes. Maybe not club members but Ihave seen motards pulling 30m wheelies dows symonds street and actually going at cracking pace through that intersection.

**Phurrball** · 16th March 2009, 17:36

Dushy. You're wrong.

I can't be faffed pointing out the self evident point by point, so I won't.

Stop digging and take the the Squigs earlier advice.

**Ragingrob** · 16th March 2009, 19:15

Yarrrrrr!

**Metalor** · 16th March 2009, 22:16

Hahaha, man you guys bitch one about nothing!

I know what happened, a guy on a motorbike crashed into a car that was being driven by somebody else and some people heard/saw it happen. The guy riding the bike was pretty sore.

Am I right?

**motorbyclist** · 16th March 2009, 22:57

yep, and despite it being pretty evident that the cager was at fault, one lone troll decided it's because we're discriminating and therefore the car driver was very possibly in the right despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, based on some certain circumstance (which would require an impressive turn of acceleration from 50kph for a 250 travelling uphill)

ok, i'm done now.

**Danae** · 16th March 2009, 23:28

My friend went to visit the guy who was in the paper. She went with some friends who knew him. Dunno how he's doing though.

**ital916** · 17th March 2009, 05:50

funny how Im called a troll. I said nothing offensive or rude or anything, fine I dont have the debating/argumentative skills of some of you here..big whoop, at least I try instill some discussion into your guys club, which is funny because Im actually not a member of the club....maybe the clubs next purchase should be a waaaahhhhhmbulance. laters

**Real_Wolf** · 17th March 2009, 08:24

hey guys, did he just rage quit the forums again?

**macros87** · 17th March 2009, 14:20

man... Deja vu

**ehab2weelr** · 17th March 2009, 14:39

iv got a pic of the crash, il post it as soon as i get the all good from the rider.... anyone that dont want me to do so speak now or forever hold your peace