FFS! "You're a loser" not "Your a loser" Almost get it right later in the sentence but spell it wrong.Originally Posted by FastFred
When did they stop teaching Grandma at skewl?
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
FFS! "You're a loser" not "Your a loser" Almost get it right later in the sentence but spell it wrong.
When did they stop teaching Grandma at skewl?
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Forum whore
Erm ,not quite.
The "workshop" pictured makes reproduction parts (headsets and such like)
They made 100 exhausts for us from a sample.
It wasn't a particularly good exhaust, but it sold well.
The Chrome is surprisingly durable.
They churn out copies by the thousands there (expansion chambers, every thing)
This particular workshop recently purchased water forming equipment and have started to copy some new designs (that are hand made in Europe) and bang out water formed copies for about €110
It's a sore point with quite a few people.
Unfortunatly the mufflers are "jam packed" with "pink bat" material and you need to repack them, but after that it's still a cheap pipe.
Forum whore
This is an original.
I think retail is €320
Forum whore
$900 ouch
but there is some good work gone into it
would hate to see how long it would take me to make that
"Instructions are just the manufacturers opinion on how to install it" Tim Taylor of "Tool Time"
“Saying what we think gives us a wider conversational range than saying what we know.” - Cullen Hightower
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labour in Europe is always going to be high, obviously they can set up & cut for a run & jig saving huge amounts compared to fitting to a scrooter for the first time under bodywork, but you are buying the development & for a pipe with muffler that is quite reasonable.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Forum whore
ye I know I would hate to try and do that and make money
far to much work as a one off
still a nice looking pipe thow
makes what I paid for my chamber (rg50) look not so bad
"Instructions are just the manufacturers opinion on how to install it" Tim Taylor of "Tool Time"
“Saying what we think gives us a wider conversational range than saying what we know.” - Cullen Hightower
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The original would be a mission but then laser cut patterns, good jig, big box of slip-joints and mounting flanges, and a decent bloke with a TIG, and I can't see more than .5 day putting them together.
I'm no expert in these things but did spend a year or so recently working in a shop that did a lot of sheet metal.
I bought a "power bomb" brand pipe, actually I got it after a mate bent one of my rotary files, for a NSR125 I think. It had a hydro formed tapered head pipe and a mismatched junction to the diffuser section but it worked a treat. It would have cost something around $50-70 I think. Stupidly cheap considering what it takes to make a pipe from scratch.
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Is this Thomas ?
now where's some dirt!
Whoever it is, he looks like a big dick
In the riders seat
He could do with a few less piesWhoever it is, he looks like a big dick
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Forum whore
About 2 years ago, such pipes where about €600 (Yep $1200 NZ)
Competition from cheap copies dragged that down.
The interesting thing is the money these guys made from such "handmade" copies was invested in (like one "workshop") in water forming equipment.
Now they are still copying, but the quality of the water formed chambers is incredible (and cheap)
The first series of water formed chambers was total crap, but over two years they got it right.
Of course it is supply on demand, but the sad bit is the guys who design the original get little to no money.
There is a recent water formed copy that rivals the best hand made chamber I have seen. and at €110 (landed, at your door) it is hard for the customers to say no.
But it is a copy, there is nothing original about it.
That is the important difference.
The same is true for cylinders (cast iron lined only at this stage, but in a few years, I am sure Nikasil will be able to be produced) as well as Cylinder heads....
All straight copies of the originals.
MotoFXR's will rule the world!
Nah....he looks like an ugly fook.
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
Forum whore
Here is a water formed copy of the first pic.
The muffler is taken from another pipe design (which actually was taken from the AG Bell book), and the slip joint is taken from a "Falc" exhaust
Just an amalimation of 3 designs, but the actual expansion chamber dimensions are the same as the first pic.
This first hit the scene here about a year ago.
6 months after the original.
MotoFXR's will rule the world!
is this Thomas?
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
Forum whore
Didn't know Thomas was into 4 stroke dirt bikes
must be multy talented
next you will tell me he can do scouters to
"Instructions are just the manufacturers opinion on how to install it" Tim Taylor of "Tool Time"
“Saying what we think gives us a wider conversational range than saying what we know.” - Cullen Hightower
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