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    Prisoners should never be engaged in productive work. Digging holes and filling them in again is perfectly adequate use of their time..
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    I don't think anyone is suggesting that prisoners should be made to work to make a profit for private companies.

    It costs $80 - $90,000 a year to keep a prisoner in jail.

    The private sector can keep someone on the "Pacific Princess" cruising around the world for half that.

    Private prisons will have to meet the same standards as state ones. The difference is that they will tender for the job, and the expectation is, that they will be able to offer the same service at a lower cost.

    The issue of the standard of care we give prisoners, is separate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Preload View Post
    Prisoners should never be engaged in productive work. Digging holes and filling them in again is perfectly adequate use of their time..
    [nerd] In the UK, prison guards have the nickname "screws" (no idea if that caught on here). The reason being that in the Victorian era, inmates would spend their days turning a large handle attached to a screw. It didn't do anything, they just sat. And screwed. It had a counter on it so they could see how many time's they'd done it too, and so the warders could see that they were doing as they were told.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    I don't think anyone is suggesting that prisoners should be made to work to make a profit for private companies.

    It costs $80 - $90,000 a year to keep a prisoner in jail.

    The private sector can keep someone on the "Pacific Princess" cruising around the world for half that.

    Private prisons will have to meet the same standards as state ones. The difference is that they will tender for the job, and the expectation is, that they will be able to offer the same service at a lower cost.

    The issue of the standard of care we give prisoners, is separate.
    The whole thing does seem over-priced, doesn't it? Even if they turned soil to grow veges for the old and infirmed it would be something. I know the plant nursery in Parry does a bit for local authorities but in a recession you don't want to take work from those who are prepared to work. It's a toughie but I still say they have it too easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davereid View Post
    I don't think anyone is suggesting that prisoners should be made to work to make a profit for private companies.

    It costs $80 - $90,000 a year to keep a prisoner in jail.

    The private sector can keep someone on the "Pacific Princess" cruising around the world for half that.

    Private prisons will have to meet the same standards as state ones. The difference is that they will tender for the job, and the expectation is, that they will be able to offer the same service at a lower cost.

    The issue of the standard of care we give prisoners, is separate.
    Well then why don't we just send them on cruises instead! Armed Robbery? that'll be 5 years on the Pacific Princess. (should save us all a fortune) But then everyone would complain about how cushy the prison ships are.

    I'm sorry, I simply can't see why a private company would be able to provide the same standard of service for less money and still make a profit. Please explain how this works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    I'm sorry, I simply can't see why a private company would be able to provide the same standard of service for less money and still make a profit. Please explain how this works.
    Who says the 'standard' HAS to be the same??

    Cheaper blankets, make prisoners provide their own clothes at their expense, 2nd rate tucker (and less of it) old newspaper for dunny-paper, there's so many way to make prison seem less like Butlins..and save money.
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    Got this from my sis....

    maricopa county was spending approx. $18 million dollars a year on stray animals, like cats and dogs. Sheriff joe offered to take the department over, and the county supervisors said okay.

    The animal shelters are now all staffed and operated by prisoners. They feed and care for the strays. Every animal in his care is taken out and walked twice daily. He now has prisoners who are experts in animal nutrition and behavior. They give great classes for anyone who'd like to adopt an animal. He has literally taken stray dogs off the street, given them to the care of prisoners, and had them place in dog shows.

    The best part? His budget for the entire department is now under $3 million. Teresa and i adopted a weimaraner from a maricopa county shelter two years ago. He was neutered, and current on all shots, in great health, and even had a microchip inserted the day we got him. Cost us $78.

    The prisoners get the benefit of about $0.28 an hour for working, but most would work for free, just to be out of their cells for the day. Most of his budget is for utilities, building maintenance, etc. He pays the prisoners out of the fees collected for adopted animals.

    I have long wondered when the rest of the country would take a look at the way he runs the jail system, and copy some of his ideas. He has a huge farm, donated to the county years ago, where inmates can work, and they grow most of their own fresh vegetables and food, doing all the work and harvesting by hand.

    He has a pretty good sized hog farm, which provides meat, and fertilizer. It fertilizes the christmas tree nursery, where prisoners work, and you can buy a living christmas tree for $6 - $8 for the holidays, and plant it later. We have six trees in our yard from the prison.

    Yup, he was reelected last year with 83% of the vote.
    Now he's in trouble with the aclu again. He painted all his buses and vehicles with a mural, that has a special hotline phone number painted on it, where you can call and report suspected illegal aliens. Immigrations and customs enforcement wasn't doing enough in his eyes, so he had 40 deputies trained specifically for enforcing immigration laws, started up his hotline, and bought 4 new buses just for hauling folks back to the border. He's kind of a 'git-r dun' kind of sheriff.

    To those of you not familiar with joe arpaio

    he is the maricopa arizona county sheriff

    and he keeps getting elected over and over
    this is one of the reasons why:

    Sheriff joe arpaio (in arizona ) who created the ' tent city jail':
    He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

    He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights cut off all but 'g' movies.

    He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects.

    Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get
    sued for discrimination.

    He took away cable tv until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable tv for jails so he hooked up the cable tv again only let in the disney channel and the weather channel.

    When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working
    on my chain gangs.

    He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value.

    When the inmates complained, he told them, 'this isn't the ritz/carlton......if you don't like it, don't come back.'


    more on the arizona sheriff:

    With temperatures being even hotter than usual in phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record), the associated press reports:
    About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent encampment at themaricopa county jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued
    pink boxer shorts.

    On wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached
    138 degrees inside the week before.

    Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink socks.

    'it feels like we are in a furnace,' said james zanzot, an inmate who has lived in the tents for 1 year. 'it's inhumane.'

    joe arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said wednesday that he told all of the inmates: 'it's 120 degrees in iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear,
    but they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths!'

    way to go, sheriff!

    Maybe if all prisons were like this one there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    I'm sorry, I simply can't see why a private company would be able to provide the same standard of service for less money and still make a profit. Please explain how this works.
    Plus much fewer "managers" and "supervisors" and "team leaders" with the associated cost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scumdog View Post
    Who says the 'standard' HAS to be the same??

    Cheaper blankets, make prisoners provide their own clothes at their expense, 2nd rate tucker (and less of it) old newspaper for dunny-paper, there's so many way to make prison seem less like Butlins..and save money.

    Fine. I have no problem with that but.... if a private company can cut those corners then so can the Government. So where does their margin come from?

    Look, I'm simply saying that all things being equal I can see no reason why any private company should ever be able to do anything cheaper than the Government and still provide a return to share holders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    Fine. I have no problem with that but.... if a private company can cut those corners then so can the Government. So where does their margin come from?

    Look, I'm simply saying that all things being equal I can see no reason why any private company should ever be able to do anything cheaper than the Government and still provide a return to share holders.
    There's a very good reason why the private sector is able to do things cheaper and better than the Govt.... they aren't inflicted with the disease called Government Bureaucracy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skidMark View Post
    Anybody else have thoughts on this?
    Yeah. All dole bludgers should have the 'opinion' portion of their brain removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    but.... if a private company can cut those corners then so can the Government. So where does their margin come from?
    Cos private companies don't have the same "wowser-attention" factor, mainly
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    its pathetic that so much attention is accorded the dumbies who end up in the care of the prison system.Regardless of what it costs and who can do it cheaper or whatever . The fact toerags find it comfortable to return or choice to go to prison in the first place indicates that its to soft an option. Surely we should tender out the care of the dumbies to some little hot island nation near the equator and let them prosper and save us the misery of paying excessive ammounts for there care here in nz when they can chew on a taro and stare at sand fleas all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Yeah. All dole bludgers should have the 'opinion' portion of their brain removed.

    Says the P head...

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    I personly find it repugnent that a private company and it's shareholders can make a profit from crime commited against our society.

    That Key and his cohorts see this as a form of competition further confirms my opinion of our Prim Minister in that he is unfilt to hold this office.

    The states institutions i.e. the courts, remove those from our society that are unfit and can not be trusted to abide by our laws. As such the responsibility to house and keep these people is the states. That Key is prepared to 'pass the buck' to a privatly owned company confirms my opinion of this man.

    Key has spoken on personal responsibility but when it comes down to his own as our PM and his responibility it is another story. The man is a sham.


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