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    Quote Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten View Post
    Given the number of reoffences, there has to be a better method of punishment...
    Yup. Make it into a place that a person would not want to return to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    Yup. Make it into a place that a person would not want to return to.

    Yeah, heated floors and tv's arn't helping....

    A little box....no windows... make them watch videos on how a proper person acts... courtesy..manners etc....

    For thier 20 year sentance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten View Post
    So the Mr. Bigs and fraudsters can spend their sentence in luxury, while a poor idiot in for theft or whatever lives in shitty, basic conditions? That's the model prisons in places like Columbia are run on, doesn't strike me as a sensible way forward.

    Given the number of reoffences, there has to be a better method of punishment AND rehabilitation than just locking someone up so they can learn better B&E methods for a few months...
    Call me a reactionary, call me a redneck but personally I just dont care. They are in prison, if they cant afford to make their lives more comfortable then tough and if they can then we the taxpayer will not be forking out for them.

    Mr\Mrs\Ms Big gets caught ripping off a lot of dosh. He\she gets sentenced to a number of years and has to spend that dosh making himself\herself comfortable, good. Why should they be able to holiday at our expense and when they come out live of their illegal earnings which have been tucked away in a bank all those years, earning interest.

    3 strike rule and life in prison.

    Shit, I'd have everyone of them doing hard labour if it were3 at all possible. Make the bastards give back something to those of us who live by the law beit legal or social.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Merde View Post
    Call me a reactionary, call me a redneck but personally I just dont care. They are in prison, if they cant afford to make their lives more comfortable then tough and if they can then we the taxpayer will not be forking out for them.

    Mr\Mrs\Ms Big gets caught ripping off a lot of dosh. He\she gets sentenced to a number of years and has to spend that dosh making himself\herself comfortable, good. Why should they be able to holiday at our expense and when they come out live of their illegal earnings which have been tucked away in a bank all those years, earning interest.

    3 strike rule and life in prison.

    Shit, I'd have everyone of them doing hard labour if it were3 at all possible. Make the bastards give back something to those of us who live by the law beit legal or social.
    Personally I'm in favour of seeing the proceeds of crime go towards paying back some of the damage done by the offender, rather than paying a private company to install flatscreens in prison [s]hotel rooms[/s] cells.

    FWIW I see the results of crime and people in prison all the time. I used to be a proper leftie type until I started working in state schools in London and saw the effect that drugs, gangs etc. had on the kids I taught. The situation isn't as bad here in South AKL but it's still pretty bad! They saw going to prison for a spell as a badge of honour, that you were to be taken seriously. There's something wrong with a justice system that sends people out worse than when they went in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Merde View Post
    Shit, I'd have everyone of them doing hard labour.
    You're not alone and I am of the opinion that this is the perfect opportunity for the Govt to repair the rail lines at reasonable cost. Put prisoners on chain gangs to fix the railways, chuck em in secure huts overnight and they get all the exercise they can cope with during the day. We'd have a magnificent rail system in no time. Same goes for the dole collectors. No work, no pay. I don't mind people who are down on their luck getting some assistance but they should work for it; then I'm sure if something better came along they'd pounce on it.

    Paying people to do nothing is bullshit. Giving prisoners free accommodation and food is bullshit. They should be breaking rocks, filling in potholes or fixing the railways to give something back to the communities they have committed crimes against.

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    I'd like to see them break rocks.

    Just hard labour for the sake of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by peasea View Post
    You're not alone and I am of the opinion that this is the perfect opportunity for the Govt to repair the rail lines at reasonable cost. Put prisoners on chain gangs to fix the railways, chuck em in secure huts overnight and they get all the exercise they can cope with during the day. We'd have a magnificent rail system in no time. Same goes for the dole collectors. No work, no pay. I don't mind people who are down on their luck getting some assistance but they should work for it; then I'm sure if something better came along they'd pounce on it.

    Paying people to do nothing is bullshit. Giving prisoners free accommodation and food is bullshit. They should be breaking rocks, filling in potholes or fixing the railways to give something back to the communities they have committed crimes against.
    I'm in favour of the idea of getting unemployed people to contribute at least something to society in terms of time spent learning a trade/some work (means assessed of course). I used to teach kids that were FOURTH generation unemployed! They had no concept of a work ethic or a life outside of poverty and the sink estate they lived in

    As for prisoners, they have inmates in the US sewing mailbags etc. and it doesn't seem to lower their reoffending rates any! That said, if I could solve the issue of justice and state punishment I wouldn't be sitting here typing about it on a bikers bulletin board
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    FWIW, there is actually a good reason for new prisons having underfloor heating and panel TVs.

    These items, while more expensive than normal heating and TV screens, are unable to be used as a weapon in a fight - i.e. the old radiators and TVs used to be ripped from the wall and thrown at someone.

    Not only does this mean they can't be used as a weapon, it means they don't have to be replaced all the time, which means their lifetime cost (for us business graduates) is actually comparable or lower than that the old gear.

    Still we should just shoot the fuckers, then we wouldn't have to worry about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skidMark View Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by EoBE
    There's something wrong with a justice system that sends people out worse than when they went in...
    Correct!
    The whole system is so fucked, about the only way to cure it, is to wipe out the entire population and start again!

    Any one got some black plague virus hanging around, to slip into the system.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by EatOrBeEaten View Post
    I'm in favour of the idea of getting unemployed people to contribute at least something to society in terms of time spent learning a trade/some work (means assessed of course). I used to teach kids that were FOURTH generation unemployed! They had no concept of a work ethic or a life outside of poverty and the sink estate they lived in

    As for prisoners, they have inmates in the US sewing mailbags etc. and it doesn't seem to lower their reoffending rates any! That said, if I could solve the issue of justice and state punishment I wouldn't be sitting here typing about it on a bikers bulletin board
    Good points. What DO you do with them?

    I went a bit skeewiff as a teen and I ended up doing some community service and then PD. The judge said "That's your last warning" and I took note. My last conviction (other than minor traffic shit) was 27 years ago and while I'm still happy to call a fuckwit cop just that (if he/she is one, no point in antagonising them for no reason) I have no desire to expand my 'form'. In fact that last conviction WAS traffic shit but I wouldn't call it 'minor'.

    Anyway, I listened to that judge, many don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Correct!
    The whole system is so fucked, about the only way to cure it, is to wipe out the entire population and start again!

    Any one got some black plague virus hanging around, to slip into the system.........
    Hasn't the 'system' already got a black plague?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mully View Post
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    Still we should just shoot the fuckers, then we wouldn't have to worry about it.
    And I thought I was a redneck. I'm impressed

    Quote Originally Posted by peasea View Post
    Hasn't the 'system' already got a black plague?
    How many think this but havent the bolloocks to express it so suscinctly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Merde View Post
    And I thought I was a redneck. I'm impressed



    How many think this but havent the bolloocks to express it so suscinctly?

    Most people have this opinion most dont have the bollocks.

    They were talking about seperate prisons for maori....

    Who the fuck are they going to put in the other prisons then, just rename the current one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Merde View Post
    And I thought I was a redneck. I'm impressed
    Mine's more beige.

    I just don't agree with continuing to throw money at the problem when it's not going to fix it. The problem here being repeat, violent offenders.

    Actually, if we use Bows and arrows, we can recycle the arrows to get better value.
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