an interesting hyperthetical scenario. Out of interest, what is the model you had in mind to fit into the 900cc air-cooled twin class?Originally Posted by GSVR
Hardcore Biker
an interesting hyperthetical scenario. Out of interest, what is the model you had in mind to fit into the 900cc air-cooled twin class?
Old Man
There are a few Ducati 900ss s about and they could run in the class but would not be that competitve on the tighter tracks.
Hardcore Biker
yes, the classes you suggest could make for very interesting racing, as a well riden bike from any of the suggested classes could be in contention
Re(tarder)
like it. id change a few
450 multi's as now. - Logic - stop overbored new 600's or sleeved and cranked 4's that would dominate too heavy
aircooled twins free reign
250GP bikes are out. At least for a while. But for 250 only motor need be proddy based say crank case and barrels from a recognized proddy motor. frame forks, carbs anything else free reign.
200cc and below 2 smokes free reign.
Do that and id be keen as pig shit to have a play.
FYI: the intro paragraph kinda seems to explain the logic (or attempted at it) of the rules rather than define eveything too the tooth.
Old Man
Giving Aircooled Twins a free reign would make Malcom Bell with his NCR MILLONA 1000 very happy.
The intro paragraph you talk of is Rule5 correct? Very thing else in 5 is a subrule of this main rule so it must only apply to Twostroke 250 Proddy bikes.
gee wizzz
what about singles?
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Hardcore Biker
The original F3 rules were perfect - people (& MNZ) have seen whats winning and reacted by changing the rules to suit. Eg; Er, SVs are winning - lets give 400s more capacity! But now that we have a decent (= modern) 450 out there winning, we need to allow 250gp and 900 twins in etc..??
And wait till destroked 600s get out there.
It's not really the rules per se, its what is done within them that has defined the class.
Re(tarder)
singles are free reign currently i think. 4 stroke that is.
under my reign all single 2 strokes are in as well.
id be nice to see a variety of bikes out there some with speed, others in corners or brakes.
im imagining a field of overbored 125gp type things competing against a super hot SV like glens, 250 2 smoker proddy engines in gp frames, a buell xb12, duc 900SS in a 999 frame and a couple of 450's. the options are limitless. 100 hp yank tanks up against lightweight gp -esk machines. that would be a class worth watching. gets me all hot and bothered to be honest.
Old Man
Everyone seems to agree the current rules are hard to interpret. All my suggestion here is to make them as simple as possible and include as many bikes as possible with similar performance. I can't see anyone being that competitive on an 900ss except for at Puke maybe. Same with an older 250GP. But at least the guys that own these bikes will have a class they can race in and be near the pace.
Next year there may be some big surprises as the 450 Ozzy bikes and others appear. Unless the rules change before then of course.
bucket blingster
Rather than revamp the old F3 rules, the above looks similiar to the old F2 rules, maybe reintroduce F2 as a class?
Old Man
What do you mean "reintroduce F2" vic club runs F1 and F2 every year!
Hardcore Biker
MNZ have had no F1 and F2 rules for over 10 years in the rulebook.
Some will remember the fuss getting the Britten to race as there was no class for it except at BEARS meetings which had supp regs. allowing it.
I think that's how it eventually got on the track to race in Production Superbike
The Vic Club run Superbike and Supersport which they explain is "typically F1/F2 rules" So where would you find these rules today?
Hardcore Biker
Excellent point! A 600cc air-cooled twin (and a 750) has won the F2 national championship. So the new F3 rules should allow 900cc?
F3 is (was?) an international formula - why deviate so much when the principles of internal combustion haven't?
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