Recession????

[trump-lady]

The question is....are we in a recession or are we being told this to create a sense of panic, and there for create an excuse for the upper class to protect the upper class and their fortunes?

Are we in a recession or is it upper class cutting cost so they are ok.....

Is it possible that Middle class are the ones to suffer the most in this "recession" because they are being sacrificed for the rich to remain rich? I feel they will be hit hardest as many middle class have never needed to survive (like the lower class) that they, the middle class will find this time the most difficult of all New Zealanders due to their current and past lifestyles? Im not saying middle class are bad or wrong but I think this time will be harder for them as they have a transformation of perception, life and awareness.

Also is it possible this panic about a recession has been portrayed to us so we also buy into the ideology of this recession idea? Therefore leading us to “buying into what is happening to us?” and what I fear,,,acceptance.

I read on here about a man stating his job said we are cutting cost, layoffs but the owner still sat on his fortune but appeared to be helping the majority. I say asshole then take a paycut if your heart is as true as you portray. Ive had a few "drinks" and as usual ponder the world...lol. This has been bugging me since the get go.

My personal prediction is rich will remain richer, middle class will struggle and some will fall to lower class and lower class will survive as nothing will change for them except that their hope to reach middle class will be lost. (very worrying to our nation) However:

Recession could be a time for self reflection and a time to ask:

Who am I and what is important for me, my family my country and my grandchildren on a deeper level that we never had to ask before and also to question, learn for ourselves, educate ourselves why these things happen and to try and seek the answers, not what we are told to think when we are told to think it.

(head out of sand)

Word of the day hegemony

Your views please:

[trump-lady]

woops...I also am afraid this "recession" has allowed the oppertunity for government to implement policys that have underlying motives which are hiden under a mask they have termed "recession" that we before now would not have allowed... k ....TY

just sharing a thought bouncing round my head

[scumdog]

Yeah, sure there's a bit of a world-wide financial hiccup.

But too often (and the media are the worst) the story sounds like Chicken-Little with 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling'.

[trump-lady]

Yeah, sure there's a bit of a world-wide financial hiccup.

But too often (and the media are the worst) the story sounds like Chicken-Little with 'the sky is falling, the sky is falling'.

So Im not the drunken silly woman alone in my thinking! Yahhh

The thing is scumdog, Im scared cause everyone appears to be buying into it and accepting. To me this is more dangerous than a recession! I think there is a recession however I think its being twisted to suit the interest of those who have the most to lose and also an instrument to allow changes that will fuck us but we will allow to happen because were buying into what they want us to beleive for their own purposes

wow I sound paronoid, like when I ate chocolate cake at my last south island bike rally ( I was hungry!) got stoned and spent the night PARONOID........

dam r and r bike club

[scumdog]

The media neeed shot.

No, really, they need shot.

Many times.

Then MAYBE they might print un-biased, fairly 'level-playing field' information.


MAYBE.

But don't hold yer breath.

[trump-lady]

The media neeed shot.

No, really, they need shot.

Many times.

Then MAYBE they might print un-biased, fairly 'level-playing field' information.


MAYBE.

But don't hold yer breath.

ahh but thats my point!
We are smart able beings but how many have just let our news be news influenced by MF in power and have not searched deeper for our own truths and not those imposed (hegemony) on us.

Ive had more drinks and feeling very very sad for where we are heading cause you know people are buying into media and they represent most of our population.

New word for the day

Sheep

[scumdog]

ahh but thats my point!
We are smart able beings but how many have just let our news be news influenced by MF in power and have not searched deeper for our own truths and not those imposed (hegemony) on us.

Ive had more drinks and feeling very very sad for where we are heading cause you know people are buying into media and they represent most of our population.

New word for the day

Sheep

Me?

Whisky.

And Reservior Dogs on Sky.

It's more real than NZ media...

[trump-lady]

Me?

Whisky.

And Reservior Dogs on Sky.

It's more real than NZ media...

Then you scumdog are one of the smartest people I know.....perhaps not very proactive.....but smart.

On that note, Im taking my confused, dazed with a few drinks, world problem solving self to bed where I shall forget, become a sheep so I sleep easily and then go to school tomorrow and prob have a new bee in my butt which Ill pm you so you can simplify and put into perspective for me and save everyone else.

night and TY..... bahhhhhhh

TY for sharing (and letting me know I aint crazy)

[trump-lady]

bahhhh bahhhhhhh bahhhhh

poor sheep do you think theyd think thats discrimination and sterotypical......

Jokes

[CookMySock]

To me this is more dangerous than a recession! I think there is a recession however I think its being twisted to suit the interest of those who have the most to lose and also an instrument to allow changes that will fuck us but we will allow to happen because were buying into what they want us to beleive for their own purposes

Yeah there are financial issues on a wider scale right now, but there is no danger in it. It is a time for opportunity - there will be many bargains to be had, so make sure your cash is in the bank at the ready.

I don't think it is an orchestrated campaign, but there are plenty of people taking advantage of the situation, and if you are wise, so will you. People well up the food chain didn't GET well up the food chain by being idiots. Take a look around you and see what is dropping in price. Take a look at what industries are in panic, and go ask them for their best price. If development companies are in crisis, do your development now, while the price is low. If commercial property is wrecked, then buy your factory now. If prices similar to yours are rising, then put your prices up and point at a similar product. Etc etc ad nauseum.

wow I sound paronoid,

Naw you just worry too much.

Steve

[White trash]

Since this whole "recession" talks started, I was of the same oppinion. Hocus Pocus doom sayers causing panic over nothing.

I work in freight forwarding, primarily the Gas and Oil projects area. All the equipment used to build the new Kupe plant in Taranaki? I got it here. Let me assure you, this recession is REAL and we are all going to feel the effects in one way or another. If you don't lose your job, you will know alot of people that will.

12 months ago I had a vast array of opportunities available to me at the end of the Kupe Project. Singapore, ,Malaysia, Houston, Saudi, Germany, Sweden, Perth, the list goes on. All of a sudden, every major project we have tendered for has been put on hold. NZRC, New Zealands only oil refinery is a third of the way through its "Point Forward Project" which would make it the most efficient and cleanest refinery in the world. Phase one is almost complete, guess what. Phase two wont be happening any time soon.

I for one am concerned at the worlds economic climate.

[nodrog:Me]

Since this whole "recession" talks started, I was of the same oppinion. Hocus Pocus doom sayers causing panic over nothing.

Ha, so was i until cunts stopped buying kitchens and i got the sack.

[ynot slow]

Since this whole "recession" talks started, I was of the same oppinion. Hocus Pocus doom sayers causing panic over nothing.

I work in freight forwarding, primarily the Gas and Oil projects area. All the equipment used to build the new Kupe plant in Taranaki? I got it here. Let me assure you, this recession is REAL and we are all going to feel the effects in one way or another. If you don't lose your job, you will know alot of people that will.

12 months ago I had a vast array of opportunities available to me at the end of the Kupe Project. Singapore, ,Malaysia, Houston, Saudi, Germany, Sweden, Perth, the list goes on. All of a sudden, every major project we have tendered for has been put on hold. NZRC, New Zealands only oil refinery is a third of the way through its "Point Forward Project" which would make it the most efficient and cleanest refinery in the world. Phase one is almost complete, guess what. Phase two wont be happening any time soon.

I for one am concerned at the worlds economic climate.

Sounds similar situation to my brother,he was thinking of a job in Mackay Aussie,sent his cv etc,they said yep looks ok,sent his certificates to confirm,then nothing,he thought his renumeration stuffed it,then about end Dec they ring him and ask can you start first week in Feb.So he heads down to his home(he was doing work in the Naki)went back to Queenstown to get medical,bloods done and organise his bus etc.Ready to go over,his wife was finalising stuff,after he was to leave,he was about 3 days away and they pulled the pin,the job was for 18 months,he was pretty pissed but has arranged shutdown/,maintenance work around Kupe.Sign of the times sure.

What pisses me off is for the last 5yrs or so we have had businesses reaping rewards of a bouyant economy,getting top returns to investers(F&P,Warehouse etc)now wanting workers to rake wage cuts to keep their jobs,the CEO still getting their huge renumeration,anyone can run a company in good times,lets see these wankers see how great they are know a recession is here,if they can do that htey deserve the top money.

[James Deuce]

Since this whole "recession" talks started, I was of the same oppinion. Hocus Pocus doom sayers causing panic over nothing.

I work in freight forwarding, primarily the Gas and Oil projects area. All the equipment used to build the new Kupe plant in Taranaki? I got it here. Let me assure you, this recession is REAL and we are all going to feel the effects in one way or another. If you don't lose your job, you will know alot of people that will.

12 months ago I had a vast array of opportunities available to me at the end of the Kupe Project. Singapore, ,Malaysia, Houston, Saudi, Germany, Sweden, Perth, the list goes on. All of a sudden, every major project we have tendered for has been put on hold. NZRC, New Zealands only oil refinery is a third of the way through its "Point Forward Project" which would make it the most efficient and cleanest refinery in the world. Phase one is almost complete, guess what. Phase two wont be happening any time soon.

I for one am concerned at the worlds economic climate.

You're working with an industry that is one of the primary producers of the trillions of fake dollars that have disappeared over night. I have a brother-in-law in a similar boat. So to speak.

Not the first recession I've worked through and it won't be the last.

IMO the "middle class" was largely destroyed in the early '90s. There's two classes in most Western societies now. Those who pay tax and those who don't. You have to be moderately rich to not pay tax. Rich is not Labour's arbitrary $60k a year either.

[jonbuoy]

Since this whole "recession" talks started, I was of the same oppinion. Hocus Pocus doom sayers causing panic over nothing.

I work in freight forwarding, primarily the Gas and Oil projects area. All the equipment used to build the new Kupe plant in Taranaki? I got it here. Let me assure you, this recession is REAL and we are all going to feel the effects in one way or another. If you don't lose your job, you will know alot of people that will.

12 months ago I had a vast array of opportunities available to me at the end of the Kupe Project. Singapore, ,Malaysia, Houston, Saudi, Germany, Sweden, Perth, the list goes on. All of a sudden, every major project we have tendered for has been put on hold. NZRC, New Zealands only oil refinery is a third of the way through its "Point Forward Project" which would make it the most efficient and cleanest refinery in the world. Phase one is almost complete, guess what. Phase two wont be happening any time soon.

I for one am concerned at the worlds economic climate.

Your not wrong mate, there are some serious players and countries falling hard on their arses. The worlds been having a big spend up and now we have to pay the credit card bill. Its pretty close to a depression not reccesion in some parts of Europe and US. When billionaires start going bust you know its serious.