Forum whore
I know. I don't put too much weight on their particular opinions either.Originally Posted by Quasievil
Yet that page did show a particular Mobil 1 was the worst for foaming. And that company was having the trouble back in the late 80's. The oil has had a few changes since then.Mobil 1 wont foam, it got additives to prevent it, there is more to this story I believe.
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That page was a Amsoil test, hardly independant. Mobil 1 is the world market leader in synthetic technology, this isnt a comment of speculation but a comment of actual fact, the Mobil 1 brand is the flagship of Mobil and there is a large international following of the oil for its superior performance benefits, weather the Delvac Mobil 1, Mobil 1 or the Racing 4t mobil 1, each product is highly specified.
Believe me when I say you wont have an issue with Mobil 1
Incidently I run Mobil1 4T in my race bike a single cylinder engine the revs to about 9000rpm, it doesnt foam, so a big v8 engine reving at 2000 rpm per cylinder is unlikely to foam.
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Forum whore
Not all Mobil 1 is synthetic.
Mobil 1 is A GOOD OIL.
Mobil sued Castrol for making that same statement and lost.
The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook.
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I have been using 'Shell Advance Ultra 4' in my bike(gsxr600) since brand new, coming up 5 years old, with out any issues. So Sx4 be fine for your hornet
I personally choose shell, since when i brought my bike in 04, that was what shop perfered brand, the brian bernard race team used shell in there race bikes, And in turn i have always used the same oil even when its no longer the perfered brand of local suzuki dealer.
Forum whore
Mobil 1 is a fully synthetic oil developed from group 4 base stocks ie Polyalphaolefins (POA)
Mobil sued Castrol and lost yes correct, why? the reason is Castrol claim to have fully synthetic oils hawever they DO NOT, Castrol use highly refined Group 3 Base stocks (mineral oil) however they label their product as fully synthetic oil, which by industry understandings it is not, it is a highly refined mineral oil. Mobil challenged this in court on the basis of it isnt POA, Mobil lost as the court felt that due to the highly refined nature of the castrol product it must be described as Synthetic.
In simplistic terms however it isnt and never will be, the particle (molecular structure) of the Castrol synthetic oil is not a uniform size as what gives a POA oil its bennifits.
Castrol oil is a mineral oil with mineral oil charactheristics wrapped up in big marketing hype.
Seen ya raised it.
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Forum whore
Exceeding the API rating can put you in the realm of low friction "eco" oils
which may not be too good for a wet clutch.
JASO rating is more important for bikes - MA or T903
Double shot!!
It is pointless having any group discussion on engine oils. Everyone ends up raving about their favourite brand, and belittling the others. Then it comes the building their loved products up with baseless, unreferenced "statistics", and FUD to put down the others. Some members on KB are known for this, and not just on engine oils either. We end up with the same baseless "evidence" - opinion presented as fact, and personal remarks, ala ;
Well I ran Mobil 1 in a high performance diesel, and alarmingly, it rattled like a stone in a tin can, and yes I know the difference between diesel rattle and engine rattle.
It is a little unfortunate to suggest that tests done to the ASTM standards are "hardly independant." Perhaps you can point us at a higher testing authority you subscribe to, or maybe even include any reference at all for your statements, because at even second and third reading, they smack strongly of your personal opinion, and not much else.
Most companies make a product as cheaply as possible, and then go about fixing its problems. In the case of automotive oils - they use additive packages to address the deficiencies of the base stocks. They COULD just use a better base stock, but thats the pricey way to do it - they are far better off (financially) to resolve the issues as they come to hand (or rather as they embarrasingly come to the medias' attention), but then that causes other problems as well.
Take for example, while the base stocks might be stable, the additive packages are often not, resulting in damaging nasties appearing very quickly in the oil as the additive package breaks down, or the whole oil package not being remotely what the original specification suggested it was capable of.
It depends on the ethic of the oil company. Do they make engine oil to pass tests or do they make engine oil to lubricate engines?
Maybe you note that I do not side with any oil company? Mostly, the "best" oil for any task is overkill. There are only a very few exceptions to this rule, and even then, there are alternatives that will get you by.
Heres my first sentence again. It is pointless having any group discussion on engine oils. Everyone ends up raving about their favourite brand, and belittling the others.
Just use the correct viscosity, and change it regularly.
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Forum whore
The opposite happened with my Diesel
Im in the industry and get plenty of good readings to understand what goes on in the oil world.
They use additives to gain advantages that base stocks wont offer, ie anit oxidizing agents anti foaming agents etc etc, Mobil use in the Mobil 1 the only synthetic base stoch there is, POA anything else isnt a synthetic but a refined mineral oil.
Correct and this is where the engineering of the oil comes in to play, this is where many companies tend to have issues.
Basically yes, but use a decent grade and brand, dont go grabbibg the cheapest you can get as its cheap for a reason, same argument over anything in this world.Just use the correct viscosity, and change it regularly.
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Forum whore
Not entirely true,
independant testing has proven that not all Mobil 1 has been using POA all of the time.
I'll dig it out for you.
Mobil 1 is not the best oil in the world, it is not the only true synthetic in the world either.
Infact it is outperformed in many independent tests by mineral based oils, including the the very Castrol product it took to court.
Is it a good oil, YES, is it the best, NO, it’s a good oil that performs better than other oils in some situations and worse in others.
However Quasi should stand by his product, I would be disappointed if he did not. I certainly don’t claim it’s a crap product. But maybe don’t see it in the same light as Quasi.
The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook.
Advbiking
Read somewhere that that is the case in the usa,where they can get away with naming it fully syn, But castrol europe/uk and south pacific they can't , just can't remember where I read it .........
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Yeah it was a USA case, dont know about the restrictions......to be honest dont really care either lol, just seemed interesting.Read somewhere that that is the case in the usa,where they can get away with naming it fully syn, But castrol europe/uk and south pacific they can't , just can't remember where I read it .........
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Forum whore
Mate - you'd better run good oil in that motor - after all it's a flipping Suzuki.....
Ha ha - just pulling..... nice bike them Bandits.
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