PT racers or thinking about racing PT

[svracer12]

i hear what you are saying. Perhaps you are 100% right but then again what if the reason people HAVENT built PT bikes is because there is too much expense to build em. Then again maybee its just general apathy. I dunno.

I understand what you mean, but people have to know that it is possible to a compeditive national level bike for not alot of money (in the whole scheme of things). my total build cost was:
bike $2000 (written off 2007 sv)
rear shock $500
full yoshi pipe $1600
bodywork $500
front fork internals, rearsets, clipons, crash protection and front sub frame where all home made with some good old fashioned nz diy.
total cost <$5000
so it is possible. this bike won the nz gp at ruapuna with a fastest time of 1.39.6 so it is compeditive against pro twins that have had alot of money thrown at them. this class isnt like f3, the people with the money have a 1 hp advantage not a 10 hp advantage so don't get disheartened by it.

[FROSTY:Me]

Sadly racing is always going to be expensive, thats just the way it is. svracer12 was just stating that you can still go really fast without having to build the PT bikes up heaps like Will Montgomery has proven. Some of the fastest PT riders in the country spend alot of their cash(and cash they don't have) doing this and I don't see them asking to get the rules changed to make it cheaper. They are the ones doing it.

I think that indeed proves a point. Will proved in my opinion EXACTLY that pro twins bikes can be raced without all the money spent.
so why not have ONE class with the money that can be spent severely restriced.

[FROSTY:Me]

I understand what you mean, but people have to know that it is possible to a compeditive national level bike for not alot of money (in the whole scheme of things). my total build cost was:
bike $2000 (written off 2007 sv)
rear shock $500
full yoshi pipe $1600
bodywork $500
front fork internals, rearsets, clipons, crash protection and front sub frame where all home made with some good old fashioned nz diy.
total cost <$5000
so it is possible. this bike won the nz gp at ruapuna with a fastest time of 1.39.6 so it is compeditive against pro twins that have had alot of money thrown at them. this class isnt like f3, the people with the money have a 1 hp advantage not a 10 hp advantage so don't get disheartened by it.

Thanks dude--Im not looking to piss off you guys guys that have gone to the trouble of building and racing existing PT's
Sorry to correct you but The M4 system on my F3 bike was (with jetting) alone worth 4 hp confirmed
-From what you've just posted though it looks like your bike would pretty easilly be converted to the rules proposed

[Dom]

So Dom what I can't help but notice is very few of the local ProTwin spec bikes entered the national round at their home track. Why do you think this is?

How about down south what percentage of the total number of ProTwin bikes entered the national round at their home track?

Yea, pro twin fields at club meetings are awesome and then it seemed only 25% turned up to Nats. I can't see what it has to do with the bike because alot of the bikes at club level are more spec d than some at Nats. Guess only the people that didn't enter Nats can answer that.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ive thought about this a bit. I used to own an SV650 as a street bike (this was before I started being the slowest, oldest guy at any given trackday on my VFR400).

The things an SV NEEDS more than anything are good tyres, fork rebuild, and a decent shock. $3k give or take.

If you cut the pipe or muffler off (and it does have to be cut) then logically you need to remap the airflow i.e. power commander. since the first time you deck it you will lunch the muffler (its BIG) then you kind of have to budget that as well. say another grand?


Last winter i was seeing well set up PT SV's for around the ten k mark: often they had rego on hold and street bits as well which means it could be put back on the road and recoup some investment that way.

I guess my point is that the current rules allow someone to spend as much as they like, but everybody has to spend something.

[svr]

I understand what you mean, but people have to know that it is possible to a compeditive national level bike for not alot of money (in the whole scheme of things). my total build cost was:
bike $2000 (written off 2007 sv)
rear shock $500
full yoshi pipe $1600
bodywork $500
front fork internals, rearsets, clipons, crash protection and front sub frame where all home made with some good old fashioned nz diy.
total cost <$5000
so it is possible. this bike won the nz gp at ruapuna with a fastest time of 1.39.6 so it is compeditive against pro twins that have had alot of money thrown at them. this class isnt like f3, the people with the money have a 1 hp advantage not a 10 hp advantage so don't get disheartened by it.

Congrats!
But say Sam's bike is 1 sec. better than yours (Terry Fitz told me there's a second in a TTX36 shock by itself) - to win the championship over the season you would have had to consistently out-ride Sam Love, and by a decent margin.
It comes back to this: Performance wise, if you're allowed to do it, you have to.

[Robert Taylor]

Congrats!
But say Sam's bike is 1 sec. better than yours (Terry Fitz told me there's a second in a TTX36 shock by itself) - to win the championship over the season you would have had to consistently out-ride Sam Love, and by a decent margin.
It comes back to this: Performance wise, if you're allowed to do it, you have to.

Sam Love, second hand TTX36. Yes thats possible as well.

[FROSTY:Me]

Congrats!
But say Sam's bike is 1 sec. better than yours (Terry Fitz told me there's a second in a TTX36 shock by itself) - to win the championship over the season you would have had to consistently out-ride Sam Love, and by a decent margin.
It comes back to this: Performance wise, if you're allowed to do it, you have to.

I think you 1000% hit the nail on the head.

[oyster]

What a load of rubbish. You do the best with what you have, what you can afford. I had two boys in this championship, if it were a prerequisite that they had top spec bikes , we wouldn't have got to the grid. Both had "B" grade bikes we could afford and the results are measured in how much they enjoyed it and developed as riders.
People need to be reminded of this principle

[codgyoleracer]

The best prepped PT bike in the country ridden by the best PT rider over the national series won the day. Not to hard to work out why that hapened !
IMO there was an argument to discuss the rules when they were originally mooted , but its a little late now and we need to support the class wherever possible from club level right through. Refinement of the rules of course "here & there" is always on the cards, - and isolating and raising key issues may be beneficial. (or not)
The real difference in cost is the level that some compeitors are willing to go to for the detailed preperation of both man and machine. Both of these things takes up a lot of time, effort and money ! , especially if you are an up and coming rider learning your trade.
Cheers all GlenW

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=codgyoleracer;1987961]The best prepped PT bike in the country ridden by the best PT rider over the national series won the day. Not to hard to work out why that hapened !



AGREED


Not to mention the great job he did with the pit presentation for his sponsors as well

[GSVR]

What a load of rubbish. You do the best with what you have, what you can afford. I had two boys in this championship, if it were a prerequisite that they had top spec bikes , we wouldn't have got to the grid. Both had "B" grade bikes we could afford and the results are measured in how much they enjoyed it and developed as riders.
People need to be reminded of this principle

Thanks for that information.Here was me thinking they where on very well prepared bikes and just weren't very good riders.

So if they where riding Sam Loves bike do you think they would have gone any faster? Do you think they may have even had a crack at the championship or where they just along for the ride?

Sorry if this is perceived as a wind up ...

[Shaun]

Thatnks for that information.Here was me thinking they where on very well prepared bikes and just weren't very good riders.

So if they where riding Sam Loves bike do you think they would have gone any faster?

I think Patrick could have gone faster on Sams bike than on his own one, but rode his own CHEAP one ( Built from a wreck) very very well

But DO NOT think Patrick is ready to be faster tham Sam love just yet!

[GSVR]

I think Patrick could have gone faster on Sams bike than on his own one, but rode his own CHEAP one ( Built from a wreck) very very well

But DO NOT think Patrick is ready to be faster tham Sam love just yet!

Its a subject I think every rider considers as we all want to be a fast as we can.

At the end of the day you think can I afford to do anything to my bike to make me faster or am I just not riding hard enough. Then theres a bit of a calculation if you percieve your bike to be a bit slow that if you where on the guys bike that finished in front of you would you have been able to beat him. All very subjective and hard to quantify unless all the bikes or riders are considered to be of equal ability or performance.

[Robert Taylor]

What a load of rubbish. You do the best with what you have, what you can afford. I had two boys in this championship, if it were a prerequisite that they had top spec bikes , we wouldn't have got to the grid. Both had "B" grade bikes we could afford and the results are measured in how much they enjoyed it and developed as riders.
People need to be reminded of this principle

110% CORRECT. So nice to hear that not everyone subscribes to the ''politics of envy'' and that you just uncomplainingly get on with what you have.
It wouldnt matter where the goalposts were reset to, there would still be people whinging.