URGENT Advice req re smoking at work.

[Kemet]

Actually, she said (twice) Constructed Dismissal. Typo? Or a subtle, but important, difference?
I read her to mean that the grounds for dismissal were planned and manufactured, that CB' is being set-up to put himself in the gun.

Yeah... forgot to quote so I used the spelling I knew it by....

Might have to google it after I post this to see who's right and/or if there are two different definitions to know it by which. I'm thinking we mean the same thing though....

Cowboyz:

Firstly... Found out what EPMU stands for so that wasn't a great recommendation from me as to who to join. Stands for Engineering, Printing & Manufacturing Union. Somehow I don't think you would fit in this category still they may be able to point you in the right direction (unlike me......)

With regard to your comment about working through your break and just grabbing a drink/bite and fag to have as you go. May not be a good idea to mention if you take 'action' on the boss.

Even though you are choosing to work through your break is irrelevant. You are required by employment regulations to have a 15min break or breaks depending how long your shift is. Funny thing is that that you are NOT allowed to not have them. You can get in trouble as well as your boss.

At least I'm pretty sure that's how it works. If I find the reference will post it.

[Kemet]

found definition.....

Google link

to go by the number of results I'd say that would make a case for me being wrong on the spelling

Shock!! Horror!! Don't know how that happened!! I'm always right!!!!!!

Department of Labour Link for the employee section so we can all look up what ever we want to....

[<Rhino>]

I think your biggest problem is that you see this as public property as you state "its a public place" several times. Its not a public place nor public property, its a golf course so it must be owned by a club or board or some such thing - therefore they have the right to refuse entry to members of the public should they so desire and enforce rules or conduct on said property to you under your employment contract.

If they are not stopping you from smoking on breaks then I think they are well within their rights to do what they are doing - I think you may just have been lucky [like a perk] to have been aloud to smoke in the past - now their just enforcing the rules.

[cowboyz]

If they made the whole *place* smoke free. fine. But making me smokefree? Not so good. Surely there is a history (code of practice?? what you call it) that has to be acknowledged. In any case, I am not taking them to task over it. I actually enjoy smoking more now that I cant smokoe whenever I like. I have something to look forward to in my day.

I made it through the week without incident so thats something.

got told today they are also planning on introducing random drug testing.

Might have to go have a chat to a lawyer me thinks. I have huge human rights issues with this one.

[cowboyz]

Oh, and it is a public park, owned by the council. We cant stop people walking their dogs right through the middle of the golf course.

[mynameis]

If they made the whole *place* smoke free. fine. But making me smokefree? Not so good. Surely there is a history (code of practice?? what you call it) that has to be acknowledged. In any case, I am not taking them to task over it. I actually enjoy smoking more now that I cant smokoe whenever I like. I have something to look forward to in my day.

I made it through the week without incident so thats something.

got told today they are also planning on introducing random drug testing.

Might have to go have a chat to a lawyer me thinks. I have huge human rights issues with this one.

Good on ya !!

Oh, and it is a public park, owned by the council. We cant stop people walking their dogs right through the middle of the golf course.

Isn't that blady annoying !

[cowboyz]

Good on ya !!



Isn't that blady annoying !

yes it is! Spent half hour today picking dog shit out of a bunker.

That fucks you off. And I didnt get to have a smoke afterwards to console myself.

Its not all glamour!!

[nadroj]

I'll have one for ya!!!

Go get some of those lolly smokes & leave one in your mouth while working & see if you get a reaction....

[mynameis]

yes it is! Spent half hour today picking dog shit out of a bunker.

That fucks you off. And I didnt get to have a smoke afterwards to console myself.

Its not all glamour!!

Haha lol hang in there fella, remember if you spit the dummy you'll be the only loser. Good on you for making it this far. Another 2 weeks you'll be sweet. Don't give up without a fight, until you find a new job. Well done !!

[Oakie]

got told today they are also planning on introducing random drug testing.
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This is paraphrased from an article I read. I've put a couple opf important points in bold

"You can introduce a policy of drug testing as a pre-employment check or if the employer has a 'reasonable suspicion' an employee is attending work under the influence of drugs and this has caused an accident or a 'near miss'. Random drug testing is harder. It can only be introduced for staff who work in 'safety sensitive areas'. Usually this means there must be a close connection between performing the duties of the particular employee's job under the influence of drugs/alcohol and operational safety. (Think driving a tractor towing a gang-mower possibly?.)

If you do want to introduce drug testing then you need employee consent to do so.

You need to include the right to drug test in each employee's employment agreement (or in a policy that the employment agreement says the employee must comply with).

If the employee refuses to consent to random drug testing, this may be grounds for disciplinary action against the employee but you cannot force the employee to undergo drug testing. Even if you decide not to introduce a drug testing policy, you can introduce a drug and alcohol policy that could help prevent people attending work under the influence of drugs/alcohol.

For example, your policy could state that drugs or alcohol are not permitted on your premises. Also, that employees are not permitted to attend work under the influence of drugs or alcohol and disciplinary action, including dismissal, might result if they do so. If you want to introduce a drug testing policy, the policy should explain the reasons for the policy, when testing will be carried out, the procedure for consent to testing, the consequences of refusing consent, the type of testing (breath/urine/blood) and the possibility of medical review of test results.

It is really important to note that your rights depend on the sort of work you are doing. 'Stoned in charge or a gang-mower or chainsaw' may justify drug testing but 'stoned in charge of a rake' may not.

[SixPackBack]

If they made the whole *place* smoke free. fine. But making me smokefree? Not so good. Surely there is a history (code of practice?? what you call it) that has to be acknowledged. In any case, I am not taking them to task over it. I actually enjoy smoking more now that I cant smokoe whenever I like. I have something to look forward to in my day.

I made it through the week without incident so thats something.

got told today they are also planning on introducing random drug testing.

Might have to go have a chat to a lawyer me thinks. I have huge human rights issues with this one.

Nicotine and drugs??..........time to clean-up the life style cowboyz.

[cowboyz]

I'll have one for ya!!!

Go get some of those lolly smokes & leave one in your mouth while working & see if you get a reaction....

Fuck that guy is hot!. I think I might be gay.

Nicotine and drugs??..........time to clean-up the life style cowboyz.

Hmmmm.. Actually, I barely even drink. I dont do drugs. Dont allow them in or around my home or lifestyle. But I object to the inferrance that I need to be drug tested. I guarentee I will past every drug/alcohol test. Thats not the point. The point is the idea that they can implement any policy because they said so.