One Class One Bike

[svs]

wat about peoplr that wana run a 600 n 1000??

Harden up. concentrate on running one bike properly.

That's half the problem in NZ, with rules flexible enough to allow all comers to run what they brung. Good in that it encourages people on the track, but bad that everyone then whinges that its not fair and xxx bike is too quick/ too slow/ not competitive.

Cross entering Posties and F3 SHOULD be allowed, people like myself looked for a 1989 bike to do just that!! run 2 classes.

so no else else should be allowed to cross enter? just you?

To be honest I think the one bike/one class rule has it's merits. F1 and F2 could be run simultaneously with split grid if the numbers in F1 weren't high enough to justify their own race. However F1/superbikes is still the 'premier' class and do you really want to combine it? There was a big stink (from the riders) about the combined formula wanganui class - has that attitude changed?

[White trash]

My issue with that at Wangas wasn't that they'd combined it so much, rather theyd split the Motards and replaced one road race class with an extra Chook chaser (no offence Quasi) class.

[scracha]

The idea is to combine F1 and F2. Dont allow F3 to cross enter into the combined F1 and F2 class and give everyone slighlty longer or one more race per meeting. Cross entering from Post classics into F1 F2 or F3 could also be disscouraged. eg One bike per class.

Why the hell should talented guys like Sam Smith, Jarred Wintel, Glen Williams and Mr Sketchy not be allowed into the combined F1/F2.....they're faster than 3/4 of the field? Why should fast posties guys not be allowed? Are we all to suffer more costs (buy purchasing two bikes) to compensate for the $hitty state of F1? The "correct" bike already gets preference (bumped up the list) for it's main class so everyone gets a race. If someone's on a litre bike and can't get into the top 35 then they should be in clubmans or do more track tays. Good F2 / post classics riders shouldn't suffer.

And I'm not biased, I'm running two bikes this year.

[GSVR]

Why the hell should talented guys like Sam Smith, Jarred Wintel, Glen Williams and Mr Sketchy not be allowed into the combined F1/F2.....they're faster than 3/4 of the field? Why should fast posties guys not be allowed? Are we all to suffer more costs (buy purchasing two bikes) to compensate for the $hitty state of F1? The "correct" bike already gets preference (bumped up the list) for it's main class so everyone gets a race. If someone's on a litre bike and can't get into the top 35 then they should be in clubmans or do more track tays. Good F2 / post classics riders shouldn't suffer.

And I'm not biased, I'm running two bikes this year.

Be interesting to see just what level of entries are received for this years winter series.

Jarrod Wintle is talented just not sure if its on the track. Sketchy already has a 600. Glen to my knowlege isn't
doing much riding this winter. Sam Smith may want to turn up and try out the handlebar shock adjuster gizmo again.

Someone that might be put out by this idea is a racer with a 600 and 1000 as they would have to choose which one they wanted to ride if the classes where run together!

Most guys cross enter for the extra practice and sometimes don't even ride in their second class.

[slowpoke]

Why the hell should talented guys like Sam Smith, Jarred Wintel, Glen Williams and Mr Sketchy not be allowed into the combined F1/F2.....they're faster than 3/4 of the field? Why should fast posties guys not be allowed? Are we all to suffer more costs (buy purchasing two bikes) to compensate for the $hitty state of F1? The "correct" bike already gets preference (bumped up the list) for it's main class so everyone gets a race. If someone's on a litre bike and can't get into the top 35 then they should be in clubmans or do more track tays. Good F2 / post classics riders shouldn't suffer.

And I'm not biased, I'm running two bikes this year.

I'd agree with you if the cross entry rules had resulted from the sad state of F1 but poor F1 entries are a result of the cross entry rules, not the other way 'round.

If F1 had equal track time compared to other classes then it would be in a far healthier state and there'd be a more equitable split of F1 and F2 bikes. The benefits are obvious, with another tightly contested club class adding to the show for sponsors and spectators.

As it is now a talented young rider starts in SS150 say, moves into Pro Twins, then to 600's......and stalls. It's bad enough that the likes of Hayden Fitzgerald and Sam Smith need to go overseas to get a high level of competiton but it's gonna be even worse if you have to go overseas just to race a Superbike.

Take a good look at Stroudie, Craig Shirriffs and Ray Clee because racers of their class are on the endangered species list and soon to become extinct if things keep on as they are. If you think it's tough getting a good crowd to a meeting, or TV coverage now, just wait until Superbikes are run into the ground.

But all is not doom and gloom, there are simple solutions, it just takes a few reasonable people to sit down and tweak things a bit. It doesn't need much and everyone will benefit either directly or indirectly.

[scracha]

If F1 had equal track time compared to other classes then it would be in a far healthier state and there'd be a more

Possibly. The combining F1 and F2 makes more sense (racing for different points tho') but excluding bikes merely cos they're also in F3 or posties isn't right. AFAIK at the VMCC every bike has a "main" class so as you're on an F2 or F1 bike and qualify fast enough as not to be dangerous then you're not gonna be bumped down the list by the likes of Sam Smith if his "main" class is F3.


One bike, one class ain't gonna reduce costs for anyone nor help F1 in any way.

[cowpoos]

Only SP600 riders really get extra track time. No other riders can realistically cross enter.

thought there were a few F3 guys x entering regularly... and the motards used to.

But I think running f2+f1 together would be a great step forward...f1 race's are already like that...no one complains apart for the f1 riders who want to x enter into f2...which is really fair enough!!!

people who don't come in under 115% DONT GET TO RIDE AT ALL!!

thats right...doesn't matter whos in the feild..F1 or F2...if its mixed or what ever..so if your too slow...your TOO DANGEROUS!!! and thats tough shit...the majority of riders safty is much more important that one persons fun...thats also why we have scrutineering also..amoung other safty initives.

[slowpoke]

Only SP600 riders really get extra track time. No other riders can realistically cross enter.

As Mr Poos has mentioned:

F3 or Pro Twin fulla's jump into F2,
Post Classic Senior jump into F1,
Post Classic Junior jump into F2,
Motards can jump into F3 (depending on riding style)
Depending on the meet there's also cross entering into BEAR's.
The Sales team even cross enter from Post classic into Motards on that amazing XR mutant.

Some people even cough up the $10 just have extra time on track during another qualifying session. The last VMCC round in 2008, my first in F1, I was sweating bullets 'cos I had no idea how I'd go on the new bike and their were 41 entries for the class. Only 35 fronted on the grid though.