Privateers Cup and Naked Class?

[brads]

White is superbike, red is superstock 1000

Superbike rules are a bit more open with datalogging, motec type ecu's traction control alot of engine modifaction, suspension etc

Superstock is basically just exhaust, pc, no engine mod and suspension

Thanks,thats what I thought it was,if it can work in australia..............

[Shaun P]

They are seperately run classes but at some events like Phillip Island there is no Superstock so they cross enter to superbike.

[FROSTY:Me]

One reason is that the Wings thing is a complete show. There is not just some aircraft flying past the crowd, They have a whole show with food stands, sideshows of a sort, related clubs doing stuff, things for the kids etc etc etc.

-Sorry Stevey your entire post was too big to quote.
Have a look at -this thread----- http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...54#post1294354
Check the date it was started.
Without going into stupid politics over it I got into a power of shit because instead of starting the thread in the RACING forum I started it in GBR
My opinion is that people are asking the wrong question and to the wrong people.
I wanted to ask the NORMAL general biker population to say what would attract them to a national bike race event.
I think we need to first capture the imagination of the countrys bikers first then the petrolheads then maybee normal people

[svs]

They run a Privateers cup there in BSB, so if someone can dig up a set of their rules for who is one and who is not then that would be a good starting point.
So the upshot is, that it is possible for a Privateer to win both the NZSBK and the Privateers Cup titles.
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British Superbike Cup
The British Superbike Cup is a very important part of BSB. It allows teams and riders of independent status to compete with recognition at the highest level of British Championship racing. Application for entry must be made to MSVR who will consider each application individually on its own merits using the following criteria:
1) Declaration by the team of no direct manufacturer assistance
2) The known ability of the rider
3) The motorcycle
4) The team operation, resources and structure
Note: points (2), (3) and (4) will be assessed as a combination
5) Other promotable elements e.g. media support
From 2010 any Cup class rider who has finished within the top 15 of the main BSB Championship within the preceding will be ineligible to compete in the BSB Cup.
MSVR will be the final arbiter regarding rider eligibility and acceptance.


from here

Also intersteing to note are half the regs include team appearance (MUST wear uniform) and must support the event promoters and must make themselves available to media etc.

[Robert Taylor]

One reason is that the Wings thing is a complete show. There is not just some aircraft flying past the crowd, then landing and then another one, and then another one that looks a bit different, but is another aircraft, oh, and then another one, these look a bit different too, but they are bikes just like the other ones ......

Catch my drift?

They have a whole show with food stands, sideshows of a sort, related clubs doing stuff, things for the kids etc etc etc.

What do we do?

Bike racing and some shabby looking garages filled with some shabby and some flash looking bikes, shabby (on the whole) people and crap strewn from arsehole to breakfast.

Why, WHY would anyone who is not a bike nut want to pay money (at national level anyway) to come and see that when they have 2.5 kids and a missus who is not that keen to entertain at the same time?

Where are the retailers flogging off stuff?
Where are the distributors displaying bikes?
Where are the concession stands?
Where were the V8 simulators?
Where are the kids play areas?
Where is the decent, tasty, healthy food? Manfield is an utter disgrace in this regard!
Where are the smart teams and garages (like the RRR, Bernard and Team VB Racing setups)?

All these things add up to a show that people will want to come and be a part of, pay money for and tell their friends about.

"Oh there was some racing? Yeah it was fantastic, but did you see .......?"

I had a friend and her husband go to Manfield for NZSBK on my recommendation. They are self-confessed boguns, drive new Holdens and love motorsport. So are precisely the converts we are looking for.
Got to Manfield, put off coming in, right at the gate.
Managed that, wondered what was going on. No programme of events and times, just a little book with lists of names. No blurb, no preamble, no information about the history of NZSBK or anything.
No PA system.
Watched some races which they said were fantastic.
Wanted food, could only find pig-swill (my word), wanted to look at stuff and be informed and entertained, couldn't find anything.
Left after about 2 h.
Will not be coming back, nor recommending it to any friends.

There were issues with gear such as the PA. But you don't see the car people having the same issues do you. Preparation.

If we continue to do this only for ourselves then we will continue to get what we have always got.

If we decide to do it for the spectators and audiences AS WELL AS OURSELVES then we will grow the pie and more people and resources will flow.

Mindset change required.

It starts with the riders. ABSOLUTELY NO amount of money spent by organisers on advertising will change a fine product with crap packaging into a great product with fantastic packaging. (By packaging I mean all the stuff around the races themselves: team attire, bike presentation, garage presentation, deportment of riders and teams, banners, flags, concession stands, food, entertainment etc).

It is possible to grow any business and pay virtually nothing on advertising. Word of mouth and viral marketing do that for you. All you need to do is scrub up your offering and then acutally ask customers to recommend your offering to others. But if your offering is substandard (as our currently is) then it will not happen.

Enjoy.

Steve, that is totally on the money. Ill probably get a little vilified for saying this but we are also not doing enough to attract would be competitors that are well heeled monetarily. Maybe such people are afraid to do so because there will be an atmosphere of ''you rich pricks''. Before anyone goes off on a tirade I personally have a number of customers who are definitely anything but wealthy and to that end always go out of my way to find cost effective solutions. People irrespective of bank balance should be afforded the same courtesies.
Interesting about what you say about presentation. I thought ( for example ) that the pits at Ruapuna nationals round were not a pretty sight. Everyone has a responsibility to lift the level of presentation to in part attract more interest in the sport.