PT racers or thinking about racing PT

**FROSTY:Me** · 15th March 2009, 18:29

Following on from the discussion about Pro twins . Could I ask for a vote from Pro twins racers or potential PT racers out there.
Question being
If the rules were as outlined below WOULD you race PT?

The second part of the poll this is for existing PT racers
How major would it be for you to convert your bike back to the specs outlined below? Ie would you/could you if the rules changed?

Proposed pro twins rules.
1) NO engine modification allowed,
2)no power commanders or other injection tuning devices No carburetter changes
2) Exhaust system to be factory stock back to but not including muffler.
3) bodywork to be factory available for that make/model or Direct replicas thereof both front and rear.-specifically you CAN use faired SV fairings if your SV was purchased as a naked ditto the ER and Hyusung. also tail fairings could be a one piece allowing with the rear seat as a cast part of it.
4)gearing to remain factory 15/45 not the naked optional 15/44
5) bike not to exceed 75hp
6) brakes to be factory master cylinder/lines and calipers for that model. Pad choice is open.
7) Front suspension to remain in factory FORM internally and externally so allowing spring /oil damping rod changes/mods and emmulators--specifically excluding use of cartredge type aftermarket components.
8) Rear suspension ==A specific range of aftermarket alternatives which are down the bottom end of the price scale.
9) footpegs,hanger brackets,handlebars,levers can be replaced with lower cost alternatives but must closely resemble factory equipment
10) Engine crankcase covers may be replaced with alternatives with crash protection,also crash bungs are permitted.
11) HOPEFULLY -control tyres -as Ive outlined earlier the idea being that every year the tender gets offered to the major brands to be pro twins tyre supplier --they get the sales but in exchange the price is heavilly discounted.
12) front and rear subframes may be replaced provided there is no weight advantage.
13) muffler choice is open provided it passes local track noise restrictions.

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th March 2009, 07:14

bumpety bump bump.

**koba** · 16th March 2009, 08:45

Its a bit more complex than a simple yes/no for me.

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th March 2009, 09:05

Originally Posted by koba

Its a bit more complex than a simple yes/no for me.

it always is mate. This is to see just how many potential PT racers there are out there that got put off by how much was involved in building a competative bike. Or maybee its not that But you can only ask

**GSVR** · 16th March 2009, 11:20

From the trackdays and meetings I've attended locally theres plenty of SVs being raced and built. Some may find F3 a better class to enter as the two classes are run together and as Paul Buckley showed you will get a better overall result as some fast club racers have decided to run in ProTwin.

Main reason I see for these bikes not showing at the Nationals is the people can race much more cheaply at cub level against people closer to their level of skill and machinery development.

Which brings about another question. If the enteries doubled to the National events would the cost of entry decrease?

**svr** · 16th March 2009, 12:03

Originally Posted by GSVR

Some may find F3 a better class to enter as the two classes are run together and as Paul Buckley showed you will get a better overall result as some fast club racers have decided to run in ProTwin.

Paul didn't get on with the standard front end, and had a decent one in the garage (it's cheaper to replace than modify).
In F3 you can go faster for less money, use any old slick tyres lying around, and should get a trophy if you win (unlike last years' PMC PT series, ahem...).
Should have been 650 production...

**Deano** · 16th March 2009, 12:06

I don't agree with 3 or 4 - they don't make a lot of difference and not a matter of $$$ either - in fact could save $$ if you can score a second hand fairing off another model. I think braided brake lines should also be allowed.

The rest I could live with.

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th March 2009, 12:23

Originally Posted by Deano

I don't agree with 3 or 4 - they don't make a lot of difference and not a matter of $$$ either - in fact could save $$ if you can score a second hand fairing off another model. I think braided brake lines should also be allowed.

The rest I could live with.

Good onya

**FROSTY:Me** · 16th March 2009, 12:28

folks um If you dont mind -Please don't vote on the pole if you have no interest In PT.

Im just following a line of thought from another thread to encourage more racers or potential racers.

**johnsv650** · 16th March 2009, 12:53

just leave the rules as they are, people have spent money on the rules as they are, and they the ones who have raced in the class, why make them spend more or removing parts.........
just get more riders in class .............
and enjoy the eveness of the class

**svracer12** · 16th March 2009, 16:46

i agree with you fully john. i have spent alot of time and money to get my pro twin to a compeditive spec and honestly it would cost me thousands in new parts and already purchased parts to convert back to these rules. why should the people that have put in the effort and money be disadvantaged by the people that cant afford it/ cant be arsed? the rules as they are now are fine and a well riden pro twin can be very effective even if it isn't high spec (william montgomery did a 1.42 round ruapuna on an er6 thats only performance mod was a second hand ohlins rear shock). pro twins is a very cheap class to race, people just need to stop worrying about "whos got what" and just ride the wheels off them.

**koba** · 16th March 2009, 20:04

Originally Posted by svracer12

People just need to stop worrying about "whos got what" and just ride the wheels off them.

Well said!
This applies to all classes!

**FROSTY:Me** · 17th March 2009, 08:51

Originally Posted by svracer12

i agree with you fully john. i have spent alot of time and money to get my pro twin to a compeditive spec and honestly it would cost me thousands in new parts and already purchased parts to convert back to these rules. why should the people that have put in the effort and money be disadvantaged by the people that cant afford it/ cant be arsed? the rules as they are now are fine and a well riden pro twin can be very effective even if it isn't high spec (william montgomery did a 1.42 round ruapuna on an er6 thats only performance mod was a second hand ohlins rear shock). pro twins is a very cheap class to race, people just need to stop worrying about "whos got what" and just ride the wheels off them.

i hear what you are saying. Perhaps you are 100% right but then again what if the reason people HAVENT built PT bikes is because there is too much expense to build em. Then again maybee its just general apathy. I dunno.

**Dom** · 17th March 2009, 10:28

Originally Posted by FROSTY

i hear what you are saying. Perhaps you are 100% right but then again what if the reason people HAVENT built PT bikes is because there is too much expense to build em. Then again maybee its just general apathy. I dunno.

Sadly racing is always going to be expensive, thats just the way it is. svracer12 was just stating that you can still go really fast without having to build the PT bikes up heaps like Will Montgomery has proven. Some of the fastest PT riders in the country spend alot of their cash(and cash they don't have) doing this and I don't see them asking to get the rules changed to make it cheaper. They are the ones doing it.

**GSVR** · 17th March 2009, 11:26

Originally Posted by Dom

Sadly racing is always going to be expensive, thats just the way it is. svracer12 was just stating that you can still go really fast without having to build the PT bikes up heaps like Will Montgomery has proven. Some of the fastest PT riders in the country spend alot of their cash(and cash they don't have) doing this and I don't see them asking to get the rules changed to make it cheaper. They are the ones doing it.

So Dom what I can't help but notice is very few of the local ProTwin spec bikes entered the national round at their home track. Why do you think this is?

How about down south what percentage of the total number of ProTwin bikes entered the national round at their home track?