Making my ZZR faster

[justsomeguy]

Well - the ZZR is a crap load more comfortable, and the ZZR felt more 'in' the corner - the zxr just doesnt feel like its turning in.

Could you expand on this???

[John]

The ZZR seems to want to be in the corner - like it holds itself better doesnt flick as easily, where as the ZXR just seems like its going to slide and is wayyy to flicky.

Its probably me, but the ZXR seems to swoop into the corners to suddenly and you have to massivly countersteer it out, were as the ZZR would dip in slowly with the corner and straighten herself up nice ready for the next.

[justsomeguy]

k thanks

See you Sat........

[Mr Skid]

:spudwhat: why do I even bother asking

I wonder that myself.

the ZXR is amazing, acceleration pushes you very hard into the back of the seat and often wheelies all the time

you have to massivly[sic] countersteer it out [of the corner]

Are you sure you're talking about a ZXR250 here, and not getting mixed up with say, a ZX10R?

[justsomeguy]

Are you sure you're talking about a ZXR250 here, and not getting mixed up with say, a ZX10R?

Well that's what he rides........

Anyway don't you need to go to bed now so you can get up early and get dressed......

[Mr Skid]

Well that's what he rides........

Maybe he's the lucky owner of a stealth rebadged ZX10R. I wish my generic 250 multi required countersteering in corners. Well it does, but that's only when I take it out on gravel.

Anyway don't you need to go to bed now so you can get up early and get dressed......

um. yeah. ok. :unsure:

[Krusti]

Hi yawl

Just wondering if there is anything I can do to my bike to make it a bit faster??

The simpler way would be to sell it and buy a CBR, ZXR, etc I guess......

But I've spent a lot of cash getting it serviced and repaired and it is mechanically mint........

However I think I could do with a bit more pace......

Another thing worth mentioning...... I rarely ride past 12,000rpm cos I'm scared of breaking something...and usually hover in the 9-11,000 range...how much higher in the rev range can I go??

Lots of people have told me thats it's a crappy handling heavy bike....... but I figure if I can get some pace on a crappy handling heavy bike then it will make me a better rider than learning on a fast light bike...........

Whaddyatink????:spudwhat:

Ride downhill

Dont brake for corners, Serious tho, start pushing the limit a little at a time. Not saying be an idiot just push yourself more than the bike. Make YOU go faster.

[aff-man]

The ZZR seems to want to be in the corner - like it holds itself better doesnt flick as easily, where as the ZXR just seems like its going to slide and is wayyy to flicky.

Its probably me, but the ZXR seems to swoop into the corners to suddenly and you have to massivly countersteer it out, were as the ZZR would dip in slowly with the corner and straighten herself up nice ready for the next.

Ummmm if you could wheelie your zxr without dumping the clutch hard then i'd be pretty amazed. As for cornering well i owned a vt250 before the zxr250 (pretty similat to a zzr) and well the zxr corners a hell of a lot better in my opinion. The vt had more torque coming out of the corners but the zxr just wanted to be pushed hard into/through them. You just have to have good rubber and sure it's flickable but good rubber will keep you stuck to the road. Saying this though i rode mine untill i needed more power (dipped into a corner and rolled right off the front wheel ..... shouldv'e had sliders) zxr's are awsome and can put bigger bikes to shame in the twisties. Will probably see you on sat. Cheers

[flyin]

A decent exhaust and an aftermarket air filter will help heaps, k&n make a jet kit for them or you could re-jet the carbs yourself.... either way let it breath and they go hard as!
i hit my rev limiter regularly (15500 rpm so shouldnt break anything!), still goes allrighty 2 up too, just watch for scraping the exhaust on the twisties........ (maybe i should get sum of those slider things for under the pegs....)

have you adjusted your suspension? it makes heaps of difference, i have mine one down from the hardest, with sum sticky rubber it can go faster round corners than i can at the mo...... less than a cm left on ma chicken strips tho and ive destroyed the sliders on my boots, (ride on the balls of ur feet if ya wanna lean further....)

[Cajun]

justsomeguy
i had a 96 zzr250 for a good 4-4 1/2 years, done a good 50,000kms on that, taught 3 people how to ride on it.
Mine spend most of its a good 40,000kms of that above 11,000rpm.

Me and the wife(gf at at time) did 800kms in one day on it. Just learn to ride it being in the right gear coming in to corners, and put on power early enough to give you a good pull out. If you steriously start pushing it i would avise you to take the center stand off.

My wife went to a bike rally with a friend on the back with her father in law, she was blowly away guys on harleys & buells, they though that the bike was 600 when they got told it was only a 250, that god bumed, i mean most these guys who 30ish bikers with harleys, who think they are shit hot, being blown away by two chicks two up on a red and pink zzr250.
Don't worry about modding it they got plenty of power, a bigger bike will lose you in the straights, but you can carry a shit load of corner speed. I looked at going down same road modding it abit, its not really worth it. As long as you service it every 5000-6000kms, it should be sweet.

[James Deuce]

Maybe he's the lucky owner of a stealth rebadged ZX10R. I wish my generic 250 multi required countersteering in corners. Well it does, but that's only when I take it out on gravel.


um. yeah. ok. :unsure:

You can't, absolutely, no way, no how, steer ANY two wheeled vehicle travelling at more than 15km/hr without counter steering. Unless you have your "Anti-Laws-Of-Physics" field generator on. Even using just body weight is actually inducing a counter steering action.

I think you need to do some reading about counter steering and what it actually is. And before you go, "But I lean my bike into corners, you dimwit", I think you need to do some reading about counter steering.

Tell you what, next time you want to steer left at 100km/hr turn the bars left. Pull the left hand bar towards you, and push the right hand bar away from you. When you get unwedged from the car on your RIGHT, let me know how it went.

[James Deuce]

Hi yawl

Just wondering if there is anything I can do to my bike to make it a bit faster??

The simpler way would be to sell it and buy a CBR, ZXR, etc I guess......

But I've spent a lot of cash getting it serviced and repaired and it is mechanically mint........

However I think I could do with a bit more pace......

Another thing worth mentioning...... I rarely ride past 12,000rpm cos I'm scared of breaking something...and usually hover in the 9-11,000 range...how much higher in the rev range can I go??

Lots of people have told me thats it's a crappy handling heavy bike....... but I figure if I can get some pace on a crappy handling heavy bike then it will make me a better rider than learning on a fast light bike...........

Whaddyatink????:spudwhat:

Buy a faster bike. Learn to ride the ZZR faster through corners. Go for a ride with Stew from TSS in Lower Hutt, get him to take a TL1000S and swap with you for the ride, and then stare in disbelief as he leaves you for dead.

But seriously, the only way to make a 250 appreciably faster in a straight line is to sell it and buy, say, a 600.

[Mr Skid]

You can't, absolutely, no way, no how, steer ANY two wheeled vehicle travelling at more than 15km/hr without counter steering. Unless you have your "Anti-Laws-Of-Physics" field generator on. Even using just body weight is actually inducing a counter steering action.

I think you need to do some reading about counter steering and what it actually is. And before you go, "But I lean my bike into corners, you dimwit", I think you need to do some reading about counter steering.

Tell you what, next time you want to steer left at 100km/hr turn the bars left. Pull the left hand bar towards you, and push the right hand bar away from you. When you get unwedged from the car on your RIGHT, let me know how it went.

Gyroscopic precession? I *might* have a vague understanding by now..

Talk of "massive counter steering" for me conjures images of the back wheel attempting to overtake the front, and subsequent steering inputs. But then if we wanted to be precise, that'd be refered to as counter-counter-steering.

I was assuming this was what John was getting at, as I couldn't see a ZXR needing any more [counter] steering input than a ZZR. If we were to assume that the forks on a ZZR had more rake than a ZXR, as befits a sports tourer vs a sports bike I'd expect less steering input to be required for a given corner.

What say you?

[John]

I say all this gyroscopic forces talk makes me feel hot.

But I did forget to metion I was riding it with fucked fork seals so that may change alot of stuff, like the wheelie crap cuz there is no real strong downward force on the front wheel with the weight transfer.

And I'm pretty sure that the leaking forks would explain the huge use of countersteering.

[James Deuce]

Gyroscopic precession? I *might* have a vague understanding by now..

Talk of "massive counter steering" for me conjures images of the back wheel attempting to overtake the front, and subsequent steering inputs. But then if we wanted to be precise, that'd be refered to as counter-counter-steering.

I was assuming this was what John was getting at, as I couldn't see a ZXR needing any more [counter] steering input than a ZZR. If we were to assume that the forks on a ZZR had more rake than a ZXR, as befits a sports tourer vs a sports bike I'd expect less steering input to be required for a given corner.

What say you?

You're talking about over-steer.