Stoner vs Rossi

[Cr1MiNaL]

Ummm...hate to break the news to you mate...but Stoner has already been world champ!

Can't remember if Freddie Spencer was younger as world champ or not.

Goggle it.

Umm yes my apologies, my point was more rhetoric. I mean when your comparing the likes of a legend to a one off wonder, it is as good as Rossi having won 6 world titles and Stoner none.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Umm yes my apologies, my point was more rhetoric. I mean when your comparing the likes of a legend to a one off wonder, it is as good as Rossi having won 6 world titles and Stoner none.

I see. And Rossi is 30 now yeah? And Stoner is what...22 yeah? So you think Stoner is a one off wonder? Have you ever been to a GP? Do you seriously think that after all of his years racing at the top level...and after 8 titles Rossi isn't being shown up by Stoner? Remember this. No matter how fast you are...someone will always come along that's faster than you. You're witnessing this now. It's called changing of the guard.

[Tony.OK]

Lets get rid of all the electronic crap and go back to old school............backin it in and smokin it up on the way out. Then you will really see who's got the most talent

Watching last year when Rossi and Stoner were going at it, they showed the combined telemetry and it was quite astonishing that Stoner was using 100% throttle at every apex......................is it just that Stoner has a better grasp on the techie shit than his fellow teamates? He's definately a great rider, but lets see what happens when its all down to rider input rather than a black box doing it for ya.

[Cr1MiNaL]

I see. And Rossi is 30 now yeah? And Stoner is what...22 yeah? So you think Stoner is a one off wonder? Have you ever been to a GP? Do you seriously think that after all of his years racing at the top level...and after 8 titles Rossi isn't being shown up by Stoner? Remember this. No matter how fast you are...someone will always come along that's faster than you. You're witnessing this now. It's called changing of the guard.

In response to your questions, yes there is about an 8 year age differential between the two racers, not uncommon is motorsport I might point out. No I have never been to a moto GP but I have been to Italy, Spain and Venice have you? , but of cause this is irrelevant.

So moving on, no I do not sincerely believe that Rossi is being 'shown up'by Stoner. As - If . What I do see is almost a mockery of skill v/s arrogance. Stoner is a lad, has a lot of talent but Rossi is an experienced racer, much more so that Stoner. I see him toying with stoner pushing him harder than he can go and making him crack. Would you like me to site a few examples from the season just past? I think this would be unnceessarry as I know you watch it as much as I do.

[Oscar]

I see. And Rossi is 30 now yeah? And Stoner is what...22 yeah? So you think Stoner is a one off wonder? Have you ever been to a GP? Do you seriously think that after all of his years racing at the top level...and after 8 titles Rossi isn't being shown up by Stoner? Remember this. No matter how fast you are...someone will always come along that's faster than you. You're witnessing this now. It's called changing of the guard.

Er...the changing of the guard?
Maybe.

But how many pretenders did Doohan see off?
How many has Rossi crushed?
I think we forget that Rossi on the 990 Yamaha was a long shot at the title, and that when he lost it to Hayden, it was supposed to be the resurgence of Honda...
I was at Phillip Island when he got that 10 sec. penalty, and in the face of a great field he simply pulled out at .5 sec a lap until he was winning (and the fact that he worked out from a pit board that said "P1 - 10.00" says a lot about his intelligence and coolness under pressure).

Rossi likes being the underdog.

Over the past ten years we've seen the likes of Max, Loris and Danni come and go (and in the case of the latter, he may come again).

Stoner isn't a one off wonder, but only time will tell if he's worthy of another title. How many newbies are in the field in 2009, ready to outshine both of them?

[eelracing]

Ummm...hate to break the news to you mate...but Stoner has already been world champ!

Can't remember if Freddie Spencer was younger as world champ or not.

Goggle it.

Fast Freddie=youngest ever 500cc world champ by a few days i think,but it was another example of the young bucks rising above the old guard.King Kenny ring any bells.

No arguement here regarding Stoners talent but I think Rossi has sucked us in.The Stoner challenge is what Rossi gets off on,remember the moves he pulled on Gibernau and the baiting of Biaggi let alone the Laguna race last year.He lives for this stuff and the battles on track are the icing on the cake.A real racers racer and thank god for Sete,Max and Casey coz without them Rossi would'nt be the greatest.

The older Rossi gets, it seems the more aggressive he's prepared to be on track.Bring it on i say,chuck in the mix Dovioso and Lorenzo and this year should be a corker.

As for Ben Spies going to WSB...now theres a momma's boy.

[k14]

Ahhh...while I hear you there mate...you've gotta remember (surely) that Bayliss won on the Ducati while it was still 990cc's? Capirossi also won races (before Bayliss no less) on it in that guise.

Care to name anyone that's won a race on the thing (other than Stoner) in it's 800cc guise?

Yeah, capirossi won at motegi in 07, same race that stoner sealed the title (sorry, couldn't resist)

[Scouse]

Casey Stoner is the fastest in the world according to me .

I thought you were the fastest in the world acording to you Raj.

Rossis as we all know is a 7 time world champ. What about qualifying times you say? I think it's all a mind game. Rossi knows where he's good. Lets Stoner get a second quicker at qualifying without risking crashing and injuring himself. Watches stoner and then pushes him over the edge.

Now your talking sence

[roogazza]

Another season is on us, and this is going to be another goodie.
What about this guy?
Will he feature?
Actually, I don't rate him as much as Stoner or Rossi, but it was the best pic I took last year....

Oscar, I'm picking Dovi as a big surprise this year, just wait till the scapping starts. gaz.

[Oscar]

Oscar, I'm picking Dovi as a big surprise this year, just wait till the scapping starts. gaz.

Ahhh...Gorgeous George.
Good choice.

[codgyoleracer]

Dark horse - Lorenzo
Fastest Horse - Rossi
Prancing Horse -Stoner

I wonder which one is gonna go lame, or get a bit frisky & tell its rider to get off. Which one will be good out of the gate & which will be the stayer ?. Which one will produce the most shit and which one will "Whinny (whinge) the most.

Fickle things these horses........My pick overall is the one from Tavullia

Gonna be a great season.
Glen

[johan]

Here's a pretty good overview of Stoner's career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ffR...om=PL&index=26

Around 5 minutes in the movie, some good sliding action!

[Matt Bleck]

Whaddya all gonna do now that Stoner is still faster than Rossi (by nearly a sec a lap no less) etc even though at the latest test he was down on top speed to the Yamahas and the Suzukis??

Stoner has the the car, but Vale has the cup!

Rossi could of closed that gap if Elais hadn't of been in the way...... Still tho, he wouldn't of been faster than Casey, but hey wasn't Stoner faster than Rossi at Laguna last year?

Oh that's right...the Ducati's electronics!! Well I would've thought that the Yamaha and the Suzuki's electronics must now be pretty good too. The top speeds of them is probably dictated by them be able to get on the gas good and early. Drive out of corners = good top speed!

I got a new one for the book and for all the Duc knockers, the frame AND swingarm are now carbon fibre....

You might all have to finally accept he's a true weapon eh??

With out a doubt the wingnut is a true weapon, and anyone who knocks 'em is delusion or a die hard fan of another rider.

I think Casey has along way to go tho, before he is any where near the legend that Rossi is.

Great thread tho

[Oscar]

With out a doubt the wingnut is a true weapon, and anyone who knocks 'em is delusion or a die hard fan of another rider.

I think Casey has along way to go tho, before he is any where near the legend that Rossi is.

Great thread tho

He can never match Rossi.

125
250
500
990
800

Rossi has a full set.
No one can ever match that.

[2wheeldrifter]

I think Stoner just has too mature alittle, he has talant for sure.. even Troy couldn't tame the Duc and went back to SBK. Have yet to see any another Ducati rider up there with Stoner???? So to master that bike must say something about his riding skills. Just matter of time for him to grow, not so much with skilled riding, but in the mind.

Rossi just has that all round talant on and off the track, the few more years under his belt does him better than Stoner, give stoner a few more years were will he be??

End the day, damn good racing to watch, and HUGE balls in keeping those bikes under control, lets hope they can keep fighting it out without any one getting killed aye, THAT would be a waste!