Pakeha world views?

**trump-lady** · 1st April 2009, 10:04

Originally Posted by MisterD

Making an effort with the pictures, best I can do to illustrate my worldview is these two photos...

One is Derwent Water the other, Kenepuru Sound...

Thank you
The beauty of this country crossed to all who live here I think

Thanks for sharing, may use these

**MisterD** · 1st April 2009, 10:15

Originally Posted by trump-lady

Thank you
The beauty of this country crossed to all who live here I think

Thanks for sharing, may use these

The point I was trying to get across is that pic 1 is in the English Lake District and pic 2 in the Marlborough sounds, yet it could quite easily be the other way around and you would struggle to find two more geographically separated locations.

**trump-lady** · 1st April 2009, 10:18

Originally Posted by MisterD

The point I was trying to get across is that pic 1 is in the English Lake District and pic 2 in the Marlborough sounds, yet it could quite easily be the other way around and you would struggle to find two more geographically separated locations.

Ahhhh... ok I will def use that and I will maybe quote across it as I think it is a visual way of saying alot about... difference/sameness....

**Trudes** · 1st April 2009, 10:28

Originally Posted by jetboy

I have always found the term "Pakeha" (sorry Spank) to be derogatory.

I remember an incident I had at high school a wee while ago. My social studies teacher asked the class if they knew what "Pakeha" ment, and the majority responded "White Pig", which was apparently the correct answer. When asked what the word "Maori' ment I responded "Black Pig" and got booted out of class.

I am not a racist and strongly believe in the "One People, One Country" ideology and my comment above was a piss-take, seriously.

I just HATE the word Pakeha. Why can't I be a New Zealander? Or a Kiwi? Why do I have to be labled with what I take as a derogatory term and it is considered OK?
If I were Maori I would hate being referred to as the N-word and other such names.

That's up to you, but I seriously think that your social studies teacher needs to get some more education!
OK, so I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source, it is however written by "The People". Afterall, that's what we are. Take a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakeha
also:
http://maorinews.com/writings/papers/other/pakeha.htm

**peasea** · 1st April 2009, 10:35

Originally Posted by Whynot

I think the first question is ...
What is a Pakeha?

I wouldn't have been so polite.

**peasea** · 1st April 2009, 10:38

Originally Posted by jetboy

I have always found the term "Pakeha" (sorry Spank) to be derogatory.

I remember an incident I had at high school a wee while ago. My social studies teacher asked the class if they knew what "Pakeha" ment, and the majority responded "White Pig", which was apparently the correct answer. When asked what the word "Maori' ment I responded "Black Pig" and got booted out of class.

I am not a racist and strongly believe in the "One People, One Country" ideology and my comment above was a piss-take, seriously.

I just HATE the word Pakeha. Why can't I be a New Zealander? Or a Kiwi? Why do I have to be labled with what I take as a derogatory term and it is considered OK?
If I were Maori I would hate being referred to as the N-word and other such names.

It's reverse racism, I dislike the word also. Try calling a Maori a 'nigger' (or whatever) after he/she calls you a pakeha and you'll end up before the race relations boffins.

I am a New Zealander, my passport says so.

**Usarka** · 1st April 2009, 10:53

In answer to the question about pics, here's mine:

**ManDownUnder** · 1st April 2009, 10:53

Never had a problem with the word pakeha, in fact I identify with it. I see it to mean non-Maori... and I am

**jetboy** · 1st April 2009, 10:53

Originally Posted by Trudes

That's up to you, but I seriously think that your social studies teacher needs to get some more education!
OK, so I know Wikipedia isn't the most reliable source, it is however written by "The People". Afterall, that's what we are. Take a read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakeha
also:
http://maorinews.com/writings/papers/other/pakeha.htm

Looked at both sites you mentioned and thanks for that

However, one could also write an article claiming that the word "Negro" is not a racist comment (as it's origins are not racist) but unfortunately people now use it as a derogatory term....same could apply to the "P" word if your references are factual.

**idb** · 1st April 2009, 10:56

I honestly can't see the big deal.
We can be described in any number of ways, white, short, curly-headed, one-legged, New Zealander, over there, Ford owner, overweight, plumber, male etc.

To me, Pakeha means non-Maori New Zealander of Caucasian descent.
It's a description, not a label, and is uniquely New Zealand - why can't there even be some pride in that?

I too describe myself as New Zealander first, but I'm a Pakeha New Zealander.
I'm also a 45 year old New Zealander.
I'm also a New Zealand tradesman.
I'm also a New Zealand motorbicyclist.
I'm also a New Zealander of average height and weight...

It all depends on the situation how I describe myself.

**Usarka** · 1st April 2009, 11:00

Couple more.

Are these my views, "pakeha;s", maori's or New Zealanders?

**sidecar bob** · 1st April 2009, 11:11

Originally Posted by idb

I honestly can't see the big deal.
We can be described in any number of ways, white, short, curly-headed, one-legged, New Zealander, over there, Ford owner, overweight, plumber, male etc.

To me, Pakeha means non-Maori New Zealander of Caucasian descent.
It's a description, not a label, and is uniquely New Zealand - why can't there even be some pride in that?

I too describe myself as New Zealander first, but I'm a Pakeha New Zealander.
I'm also a 45 year old New Zealander.
I'm also a New Zealand tradesman.
I'm also a New Zealand motorbicyclist.
I'm also a New Zealander of average height and weight...

It all depends on the situation how I describe myself.

Im a sexy hot stud muffin, but that wont fit on an immigration form.

**Trudes** · 1st April 2009, 11:17

**candor** · 1st April 2009, 13:06

Pictures to demonstrate a groups world view (thought process and cultural approach) are a difficult assignment thinking on it. They say pictures say a thousand words but a lot of that is solely in the eye of the beholder (depends on cultural understanding).

Because of the common crossovers & interchanges its extra hard. Take Kiri Te Kanawa - could represent Western European cultural values of elite Opera snobbery (remember her Hayley Westenra comment) or could represent value of entertaining and performing from traditional Maori culture. Its a blend.
Its tempting to look for the differentiating points eg what would a "true blue" Maori do that Pakeha wouldn't and vice versa. Must also be for pakeha something other Europeans eg Poms, wouldn't have a go at, to be on track.

Could look at developmental over lifespan
A picture of a large rest home group having tea like in the ASB ad for pakeha butthis isn't exclusive to Kiwi Europeans.
A picture of an elder living with the offspring for Maori?
Maori kids learning to listen or use body language more more than speak on marae versus pakeha kids learning to speak more than listen eg encouraged to question in school ?

This assignment has to just show that there is wide variance, no recipe for pakehaness or maoriness really as theres just too many different influences now with mass communications. Too mny Makehas and Paoris.