Pakeha world views?

**scrivy** · 3rd April 2009, 15:36

Originally Posted by trump-lady

The hijacking of threads is normal on KB for sure...

I know of b@stards that do that.........

**Headbanger** · 3rd April 2009, 15:54

Originally Posted by idb

I'm a Pakeha!!!

[Hear me roar
With voice too loud to ignore...]

Are you discriminating against me?

Yes.

You and the jews.

**Usarka** · 3rd April 2009, 16:08

Originally Posted by Trudes

Anyway, some pictures of things I think about as my world view as a Pakeha (isn't that what you wanted? I could give you all sorts of pics of my own personal world view but it may have very little to do with what you need for your assignment)

The same question as with my pictures, but a little more direct (trump-lady my question was directed at you and anyone else who cared to answer):

What is the difference between these "pakeha" pictures and those which would represent a Maori view? (apart from the obvious depictions of pre-colonial times)

**HenryDorsetCase** · 3rd April 2009, 16:18

Originally Posted by Usarka

The same question as with my pictures, but a little more direct (trump-lady my question was directed at you and anyone else who cared to answer):

What is the difference between these "pakeha" pictures and those which would represent a Maori view? (apart from the obvious depictions of pre-colonial times)

this guy has a pakeha world view, I'd say. or some bitchin' pr0n

**Troll** · 3rd April 2009, 17:13

many people find the word pakeha quite offensive

the literal translation is less than polite

**Oscar** · 3rd April 2009, 17:38

Originally Posted by Troll

many people find the word pakeha quite offensive

the literal translation is less than polite

Is there an echo in here?

**smoky** · 3rd April 2009, 19:18

Originally Posted by Troll

many people find the word pakeha quite offensive

the literal translation is less than polite

Read the thread!!!!!

**Dave Lobster** · 3rd April 2009, 19:35

Originally Posted by idb

I'm a Pakeha!!!

[Hear me roar
With voice too loud to ignore...]

Are you discriminating against me?

Discrimination is for brown people!!!

There isn't enough to go round for white people.

**tigertim20** · 3rd April 2009, 20:33

Hey bro, here some real good help, Im doing my social work degree too..
Look up orientalism, Authenticity, Worlding and the sub-Altern, encompassment, and colonial rights and care discourse. These are the five theories which explain how "the native" is "othered" and constructed as subbordinate. Look through this stuff and youll find a bloody gold mine, It will lead naturally to what you need and there a a billion ways you could go with it. Where you doing your degree and how far through are ya BTW?

Also, someone said something about finding "pakeha" offensive...
Well the WORD pakeha doesnt translate to ANYTHING offensive, its actually quite an incorporating term compared to many misconceptions of the worrd, HOWEVER, I HATE the word being used in relation to ME, based on principle. Quite simply, I am a European. and I like to be identified as either a kiwi, or a european, I dislike being called a "pakeha" because I am being described by a word which is of a construct with which I am not familiar, and do not identify with. I have the right to self determine, and calling me by a name which was not created by, or of MY language, is to me, offensive, because the person calling me "pakeha" is disregarding the fact that I am of a legitimate culture which has its own definitions and determinations.

**smoky** · 3rd April 2009, 21:01

Originally Posted by tigertim20

Also, someone said something about finding "pakeha" offensive...
Well the WORD pakeha doesnt translate to ANYTHING offensive, its actually ...bla bla bla ......
HOWEVER, I HATE the word being used in relation to ME, ...bla bla bla.... I dislike being called a "pakeha" because I..... bla bla bla.....

Man - READ THE THREAD!!!!!!!!

**James Deuce** · 3rd April 2009, 21:19

Originally Posted by tigertim20

Also, someone said something about finding "pakeha" offensive...
Well the WORD pakeha doesnt translate to ANYTHING offensive, its actually quite an incorporating term compared to many misconceptions of the worrd, HOWEVER, I HATE the word being used in relation to ME, based on principle. Quite simply, I am a European. and I like to be identified as either a kiwi, or a european, I dislike being called a "pakeha" because I am being described by a word which is of a construct with which I am not familiar, and do not identify with. I have the right to self determine, and calling me by a name which was not created by, or of MY language, is to me, offensive, because the person calling me "pakeha" is disregarding the fact that I am of a legitimate culture which has its own definitions and determinations.

The bro is a Sis.

You're not European. Europe is on the other side of the planet. Even if you were born there, you are no longer living there. It's a really simple concept that seems to escape both Maori and White Niggers errr Pakeha.

Any collective noun used to separate ethnic groups is a simple political tool to demonise the enemy. Like it or lump it, your Gestalt does not mesh cleanly with that of an Austrian or a Croatian. You probably don't care that your neighbour is a white muslim/Turk/Bavarian/Moor descended Spainiard/disenfranchised Celt. In many places in Europe, any of those ethnic backgrounds would be enough to get you at least ostracised if you were stupid enough to live outside your ethnic ghetto or province.

**tigertim20** · 3rd April 2009, 21:27

Originally Posted by James Deuce

The bro is a Sis.

You're not European. Europe is on the other side of the planet. Even if you were born there, you are no longer living there. It's a really simple concept that seems to escape both Maori and White Niggers errr Pakeha.

Any collective noun used to separate ethnic groups is a simple political tool to demonise the enemy. Like it or lump it, your Gestalt does not mesh cleanly with that of an Austrian or a Croatian. You probably don't care that your neighbour is a white muslim/Turk/Bavarian/Moor descended Spainiard/disenfranchised Celt. In many places in Europe, any of those ethnic backgrounds would be enough to get you at least ostracised if you were stupid enough to live outside your ethnic ghetto or province.

Have a degree in social sciences do we? Because you are WRONG. Its comes down to a little thing called self determination. (if you had the aforementioned degree youd know what this is)
Now how exactly do you know where I was born, or have lived most of my life? very naieve of you to make such assumptions. Without going into my personal life, I have european biology, and "european" is what I associate with being.
Are you going to tell a person who defines themselves as a Maori who is quarter Maori, Quarter indian, quarter french and quarter irish that he is not a Maori? NO. You dont have the right to define others. I suggest you do some research on the theories I posted earlier, you will learn about the underlying ideas behind all of this.

**tigertim20** · 3rd April 2009, 21:31

Originally Posted by smoky

Man - READ THE THREAD!!!!!!!!

who the fuck is going to piss about reading an entire 20 pages of pissing on just to make a post? Not me!!

secondly, I was simply putting my own opinions on the word pakeha across, because the idea of self determination (which is the underlying idea in WHY I dont like being called pakeha) is entirely relevant to the topic raised by the thread starter.

**smoky** · 3rd April 2009, 21:36

Originally Posted by tigertim20

Have a degree in social sciences do we?.....(if you had the aforementioned degree youd know what this is)
.... suggest you do some research on the theories I posted earlier, you will learn about the underlying ideas behind all of this.

Actually degrees and tertiary education is so full of shit, don't think your better than us uneducated dummies ... will you
Kind of smacks of arrogance dude

Originally Posted by tigertim20

Now how exactly do you know where I was born, or have lived most of my life? very naieve of you to make such assumptions. Without going into my personal life, I have european biology, and "european" is what I associate with being.
Are you going to tell a person who defines themselves as a Maori who is quarter Maori, Quarter indian, quarter french and quarter irish that he is not a Maori? NO.

Fair call

**smoky** · 3rd April 2009, 21:39

Originally Posted by tigertim20

who the fuck is going to piss about reading an entire 20 pages of pissing on just to make a post? Not me!!

secondly, I was simply putting my own opinions on the word pakeha across, because the idea of self determination (which is the underlying idea in WHY I dont like being called pakeha) is entirely relevant to the topic raised by the thread starter.

And if you'd read the thread you may not of repeated what others have arrogantly assumed as well