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    With all due respect Trump-lady, what a complete waste of time. However, I guess I've got to be patient while all the skid marks of socialism are flushed away from the toilet bowl known as NZ.

    You want a real Pakeha view? Here's a good one...

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-t...-of-its-people

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    You could point out how being called a Pakeha changes folks view of the world.

    Being called a European is as 'offensive' as calling a Maori a Samoan. Just not where I'm from any more.

    They need a new word.

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    I think what Maoris fail to realise is that Europeans are individuals, able to make decisions for themselves, providing a wealth of diversity in culture.
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    Herein lies the problem faced by the diverse cultural cooking pot of new zealand and many western worlds, we are still hell bent on pigeon holing every person into their own little groups..
    white people as a group are still being made to feel personnally responsible for what happend to the native population of this country. We pay tax in order to payout iwi for bullshit reasons.
    They totally disregard any european culture (Wigram airfield anyone) because they were here first, now major players such as ngai tahu are rolling in the cash and sticking it to the whities at every turn (eeling at ellsmere), kicking non maori off beaches...its bullshit complete bullshit. I mean if iwi feel the need to bleed the country dry with treaty settlements, they could always take responsiblity for their own once all claims have been payed out and take over paying sickness/unemployment benefits to those who claim to be maori, and no longer rely on the working class of this country.
    The goverment feels the need to have any offical documents include a te reo translation for english parts...as if there are any maori who do not speak english left in this country.

    To cap it off we need to stop trying to gain an advantage based on our race, and call everyone a kiwi or newzealander not a maori or european and work as one to make this country better and stronger as it will benefit us all, not just a select few wo deem the are owed something because their ancestors were oppressed 8 generations ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by batboy View Post
    ....To cap it off we need to stop trying to gain an advantage based on our race, and call everyone a kiwi or newzealander not a maori or european and work as one to make this country better and stronger as it will benefit us all, not just a select few wo deem the are owed something because their ancestors were oppressed 8 generations ago
    You got it batboy. Any racism in New Zealand is being fostered by just the type of assignment that the OP has been given. The sooner that the people who are driving this racial agenda can accept that we are one people in one country, the sooner any racism will disappear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Dave View Post
    You could point out how being called a Pakeha changes folks view of the world.

    Being called a European is as 'offensive' as calling a Maori a Samoan. Just not where I'm from any more.

    They need a new word.
    This whole label thing is a can of worms.
    Firstly I don't mind Pakeha - in modern usage it pretty much describes what I am.
    If you really need to pigeonhole me, use the local lingo.

    Reflect on the use of "European" or "Asian" to describe people.
    Europe stretches from Russia to Eire, so what has a Rusky got in common with a Paddy. Similarly, Asia includes India and Japan, not only thousands of miles apart, but culturally, socially and ethnically worlds apart.

    I also wonder about the use of ""bi-cultural" in the assignment.
    Not withstanding the fact that there are many more cultures in NZ than Pakeha and Maori, this still assumes that the Pakeha part of the equation is culturally homogeneous.
    It isn't, as what we describe as Pakeha come from cultures as diverse as Irish, Scots, English, Dutch, South African, Australian, Croatian and so on.
    To group these together as one is as offensive as insisting that all Polynesians are of the same group.

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    Pakeha = White stranger
    Some people just can't seem to comprehend that they do not have the right to be unoffended in their lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackshear View Post
    Pakeha = White stranger
    Suits me.

    I'm kind of a pale pinky white and I'm pretty strange...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackshear View Post
    Pakeha = White stranger
    Thats fine, but i strongly object to apparently only having a Maori word to describe my ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackshear View Post
    Pakeha = White stranger
    So what? Paki = someone from Pakistan...it's still used as a perjorative term.

    Perception = truth, so don't f-ing call me a "Pake"....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackshear View Post
    Pakeha = White stranger
    So we are cool to call them black strangers?

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    I think your job here is done.....

    Copy and paste the above posts and hey presto, a "Pakeha World View" will appear.

    NOTE OF CAUTION: DO NOT do this - if you submitt this you will get a fail on your assignment, cos although there is likely a lot of honesty in the above you are NOT, I repeat, NOT allowed to say this stuff.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Thats fine, but i strongly object to apparently only having a Maori word to describe my ethnicity.

    English speakers have a long history of adopting the local lingo and making it part of the language. So I would suggest that Pakeha is no longer a Maori word.
    I'll bet it's in the NZ English Dictionary.

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    I didn’t make up the assignment or the terms used. I’m working with what I got given. My worldview and perhaps a few will agree on kiwibiker is that threads tend to go on a tangent far from the topic 2 Pages and not one picture. Heres an example in the pics of contrast of "some worldviews". Now many Europeans will see the NZ flag and identify with it as will some Maori, however I imagine not many Europeans are driving around with this flag on their car. Also if I post this ona pro maori site obviously as a collective their world view will be different from if I posted on a KKK site.

    I find it interesting the variety of "worldviews" already posted on here. Obviously if I was working with some of you I wouldnt great you in Maori say a karakia and suggest a hui with your extended family. Youd be offended. So I wouldnt. Likewise if your on a Marae Im going to follow protocol.

    I knew pakeha would cause tension and already there is a common theme occuring of post. Obviously you all are different and have different views but there is a majority saying the same thing in different ways, and thats fine. Im not here to agree or disagree. You all have the right to feel as you feel.

    This is not about whos right or wrong what words are good or bad but already many of you have introduced me to your worldview and these are the tools I need to be an effective social worker with ANYONE.

    Which is fine but fact remains in social work I need to be aware that my world view and other peoples worldveiw can be drastically different. There for my approach would be different. Also that every person is to be respected for their worldview as they are based on your experiences. That is what this assignment is for. Again there are 5 other sections to this.... What shapes a worldview, Maori, Pakeha, Holistic, Importance of worldviews



    For the record my father is European and thus so am I. I identify first as being Maori because it is my worldveiw that when people look at me thats what they see. It doesnt mean I dont identify as european but my worldview has been shaped by by years of ticking that box!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatjim View Post
    I think what Maoris fail to realise is that Europeans are individuals, able to make decisions for themselves, providing a wealth of diversity in culture.
    haven't you just lumped all "Maoris" in together? i.e. done the same thing?
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