Pakeha world views?

[trump-lady]

You wanted pictures?

ummm I dont know what to say... what are you trying to show in that picture exactly because I have a feeling my interpretation might be different.....

[Fatjim]

haven't you just lumped all "Maoris" in together? i.e. done the same thing?

And your point is? This whole thread was started because someone wanted to lump all people with European descent into a worldview. I can't think of a more diverse racial/cultural mix as the Europeans, except maybe Asians.

If you expect a people who have lived within the confines a such a small collection of Islands as NZ for less than 1000 years to be as diverse/complex as say Negros, Asians, Europeans or Melanesians well......

[Genestho]

And your point is? This whole thread was started because someone wanted to lump all people with European descent into a worldview. I can't think of a more diverse racial/cultural mix as the Europeans, except maybe Asians.

What is a pakeha? A white kiwi?
Descendants of early settlers from Europe, and in generations since?

What is a world view? Opinions, priorities, or perceptions of?
A world view is not a constant; your priorities, or what you perceive in life as important (or your 'world view')... change with age, and life experiences.
Because we all have different life experiences, environments and characteristics, our world views are going to be unique, no matter from where in history, or for that that matter, in the world we as 'pakehas' descend from.
Couldn't we also say that of Maoris? So would we have the same world views, and priority lists...which make us kiwi's? Or part of humanity?
Oh boy...shouldn't have read this thread LOL...

Strange topic, Although I do understand the required outcome.
Goodluck.

I'd be interested to know if anyone is doing a paper on the Maori World view...

[Skyryder]

Nope. No such thing as a Pakeha world view. There are far too many social groups based on financial income etc. Opinions tend to be based more on the class or social position than on any white or colour ethinticity grouping

I would hazzard a guess that this is true in most cultures if not all.


Skyyrder

[98tls]

Interesting thread,times are a changing.I guess in such a society we have to accept all opinions,to label them wrong or right changes nothing,wrong or right.House prices though is an entirely different matter.lol.

[Skyryder]

Interesting thread,times are a changing.I guess in such a society we have to accept all opinions,to label them wrong or right changes nothing,wrong or right.House prices though is an entirely different matter.lol.

Yep white houses cost more than black ones


Skyryder

[98tls]

Yep white houses cost more than black ones


Skyryder

OI you cant say the B word.

[trump-lady]

What is a pakeha? A white kiwi?
Descendants of early settlers from Europe, and in generations since?

Your priorities, or what you perceive in life as important (or your 'world view')... change with age, and life experiences.
Because we all have different life experiences, environments and characteristics, our world views are going to be unique, no matter from where in history, or for that that matter, in the world we as 'pakehas' descend from.
Strange topic, Although I do understand the required outcome.
Goodluck.

I'd be interested to know if anyone is doing a paper on the Maori World view...

yes the dvd is divided into 6 sections. Maori worldview is in there as is some other stuff like holistic, mythology. We (Group of six) divided the topic into 6 and I drew this one So all 6 are to make a 4-5 minute contribution to one final 30 minute dvd.

Im finding it hard not to impose my worldview on this assignment and stay neutral....I dont consider myself Pakeha or Maori.... So i thought Id throw it out there.

[Dean]

I respect Maori culture, identity and values and therefore call Maori by the collective name they have given themselves - Maori.

I ask only that the same courtesy be extended to me. I have not chosen the name pakeha and am therefore offended any time someone uses this word to collectively describe me and my people.

I think that's fair enough don't you?

That's right, the word "pakeha" is the same as the "N' word. Both are used with intent to discriminate.
Its tricky to catorigize a group of people, depending on their race/ethnicity without offending. Foreinstance most people would say "that black man" instead of "that african american", these days a slip of the tounge can get you in to trouble.
My maths teacher told me that in south africa if someone called him "coloured" the person could be charged.

[Genestho]

yes the dvd is divided into 6 sections. Maori worldview is in there as is some other stuff like holistic, mythology. We (Group of six) divided the topic into 6 and I drew this one So all 6 are to make a 4-5 minute contribution to one final 30 minute dvd.

Im finding it hard not to impose my worldview on this assignment and stay neutral....I dont consider myself Pakeha or Maori.... So i thought Id throw it out there.

Hehe, you got me thinking!
Had to came back and edit...my apologies I have'nt read all the posts
You got a tricky job on there girl!!!

I guess if you over analyse it, it's too complex, or really very simple... I'd simplify it dude! I'm sure once you sit back you'll see your options...as I say, goodluck!

[Headbanger]

ummm I dont know what to say... what are you trying to show in that picture exactly because I have a feeling my interpretation might be different.....

You ask many questions, How about you tell tell me your interpretation?

[McJim]

that in south africa if someone called him "coloured" the person could be charged.

Man that could suck if someone was called Colin Erd and his mates abreviated his first name to Col

Trump-Lady you could win extra points by saying that your research has shown that the worldviews held by those brutally categorised by the name Pakeha are so varied that many of them mirror Maori worldviews. If we take for example an impoverished white Catholic family in Glasgow or Belfast they are struggling against centuries of oppression by protestant leaders, they value family above all else and are deeply religious with heritage stretching back over a thousand years. Their obstinate loyalty to their identity is their undoing and makes them victims of the Police and State as well as making it difficult for their children to gain a quality education or gainful employment. Alcoholism is rife as is domestic violence and abuse. When help is sought outside of their community people blame their culture for the way they are and tell them that they have no one to blame but themsleves.

And many people thought this kind of predicament was brought on by the colour of someones skin......where I come from the doctors, lawyers and accountants have dark skin. The white people are the poor downtrodden natives.

[Dean]

Man that could suck if someone was called Colin Erd and his mates abreviated his first name to Col

Lol, would work well on prank calls, call up the pizza hut and ask for mr coloured while a south african police officer is at the table.

[Ocean1]

I have to disagree that this has no relevance in my field and that this is cultural sensivity. I have been told "dont bother with that family they wont let you in the door" so I to tried and was accepted immediately and told that the family just weren’t comfortable with a white person in their home. Wrong or right thats their worldview. This is extremely important information in regards to my relationship with this family. Once I know this, I am not going to request a meeting with the family and a white CYFs worker in their home. Is that cultural or this families WV?

My field is all about peoples WV and I need this awareness all the time and understanding not just ethnicity WV, Culture WV, Gender WV for the person I am dealing with. Doesnt matter if they are wrong or right I need to constantly be aware of such things in my field like this so I can work with them.

You think that sort of prejudice and bigotry is simply culture or some sort of world view? That you need but adjust your own tolerance for such socially damaging behaviour? It’s neither, you’re pandering to the attitudes and prejudices which no doubt required the services of a social worker in the first place. I’m of the opinion that it very much matters whether they’re right or wrong, when you’re prepared to separate right and wrong behaviour from that driven by legitimate cultural mores you’ll have some chance of making a difference, and not until.

My agency is feministic. I am not a feminist however I still belong to that collective WV in that particular area of thought. So if you asked me is your agency a feminist organisation? Id say yes....doesn’t mean I am. Is that all they are? no, but history of this organisation does reflect a very feminist approach. How I deal with my conflict with that is better if I understand that YES my organisation is Feministic. Now that I can see the organisational WV on why I cant have contact with offenders I can approach things in a bi-feministic? way to my management that wont offend them and also progress my own WV. I do this daily. Some women I want to yell FFS leave him, but I think about her world view, on family, money, love, and see thats not the way to approach the matter.

Oh please, you go to the extent of significantly altering your own behaviour to appease your clients AND your management and you’re not a feminist? Grow some balls, be yourself, if that precludes you from working in your chosen field then at least you’ll know who you are.

Collectively european, pakeha western ideals have some common themes. Individualism, materialistic, industrialism, education, ownership, Christianity etc etc.

Trite. I’d translate it into less emotively... indoctrinated terminology. But then, you could do that yourself if you tried eh?

[trump-lady]

Good even-tempered and intelligent posts Trump-lady. : Your question is simple enough but finding images to represent it hmmmm..........

An effective social-worker will understand cultural differences so they can deal with all types of families. That is what lies behind the assignment.

NZ is dominated by English systems. (In fact so is India, but that's by the way). The prevailing social attitudes are Western ie. importance of the individual, democracy, equality, private ownership of property, admiration of wealth, ambitious.

Maori by contrast are communal, believe in the importance of extended family, ancestoral history, a sense of belonging to geographic locations of origin, the individual is less important than the group, share property and wealth, etc.

Gross generalisations certainly but also a fair summary.

To find images, have a look for contrasts between Caucasians and American Indians and/or Aboriginals. Same discussion and there should be plenty out there.

I think this is what its about, (well my interpretation of the things they want in this segment of the assignment) ..... heres a pic I found that says alot.

Democracy I havent covered yet so TY

I think Im going to put the poll in also, and some quotes from here for and against the idea and then who ever watches it can form their own opinion. I dont think theres a right or wrong and although I think I got the hardest task! I think im on the right track and I really believe this was a challange the lecturers were wanting. I need to remove my own worldviews opinions and beleifs in this assignment just like I would in my field of work.