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    Quote Originally Posted by idb View Post
    Quite right but that doesn't help with your assignment.
    It seems that the requirement is to come up with some theory of a "Pakeha worldview".

    Perhaps the "Pakeha worldview" is an imperative to reject the notion of Pakeha and so any idea that there could be a Pakeha perspective, and consequently a Maori perspective.

    This is shown in statements like "I'm not a Pakeha, I'm a New Zealander" and "Why should Maori be given special treatment/money/status, we should just be New Zealanders".

    I suppose a corollary of this is a further worldview involving a rejection of any responsibility for injustices visited on the original inhabitants by previous generations.

    How you put this into pictures I've no idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trump-lady View Post
    Sorry that was a rude statement to make to you. That was my WV and perhaps Im missing the point in your WV! lol

    just all got so complicated........

    Well i'm probably still getting this wrong but...

    maori appear to "expect entitlement" ie they expect money to be handed to them while on dole for nothing. Claiming cultural rights.

    Kiwi's appear to "earn entitlement" ie they worked for years, lost their job for a month and are thankful for the help.

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    I don't have an issue with being described as a Pakeha.
    To me it is a New Zealand term meaning "New Zealander of Caucasian descent".
    Nothing too intimidating or demeaning in that I wouldn't have thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tank View Post
    So we are cool to call them black strangers?
    Don't you mean brown settlers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Don't you mean brown settlers?
    Sounds like something that requires a full flush not a half flush.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Headbanger View Post
    You mean to say how a stone age people were lifted out of the mud and given all the benefits of a more advanced culture and squander it with drug, alcohol and child abuse? And have proven that no matter how many policies are made,and how much money is spent on health, education,employment based on racist criteria they still refuse to better themselves?
    Remind me not to visit Wanganui........ sheesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattian View Post
    Remind me not to visit Wanganui........ sheesh.
    You mean "Whanganui"...haha got in first!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by trump-lady View Post
    I predict most would say Maori when in fact Im only like a third.

    Im not saying its right or wrong Im just saying I am usually identified as Maori.

    Bit off topic, I really want YOU GUYS to tell me your worldveiw.
    If you're 1/3 Maori by blood then you're a very rare breed indeed, and I understood no 1/2 Maoris remain at all. We are none of us "pure" anything, by breeding, and our culture is simply what set of myths, beliefs and behaviours we choose, as individuals, from amongst our perceived heritage.

    I believe you're missing what I see as a fairly firm consensus. We seem to be declining to distinguish between one collection of mongrels and another when the only criteria is Culture with a capital C, a behaviour I believe is consistent with a dignified and peaceful co-existence.

    A behaviour, further, I would have recognised by those setting your syllabus as both prevalent and valid, whether it agrees with their world view or otherwise. The sheer wast of time and effort such culturally sensitive “education” represents appals me, as it does the vast majority of students, who fail to see the relevance to their chosen field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idb View Post
    Quite right but that doesn't help with your assignment.
    It seems that the requirement is to come up with some theory of a "Pakeha worldview".

    Perhaps the "Pakeha worldview" is an imperative to reject the notion of Pakeha and so any idea that there could be a Pakeha perspective, and consequently a Maori perspective.

    This is shown in statements like "I'm not a Pakeha, I'm a New Zealander" and "Why should Maori be given special treatment/money/status, we should just be New Zealanders".

    I suppose a corollary of this is a further worldview involving a rejection of any responsibility for injustices visited on the original inhabitants by previous generations.

    How you put this into pictures I've no idea.
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    I respect Maori culture, identity and values and therefore call Maori by the collective name they have given themselves - Maori.

    I ask only that the same courtesy be extended to me. I have not chosen the name pakeha and am therefore offended any time someone uses this word to collectively describe me and my people.

    I think that's fair enough don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    I respect Maori culture, identity and values and therefore call Maori by the collective name they have given themselves - Maori.

    I ask only that the same courtesy be extended to me. I have not chosen the name pakeha and am therefore offended any time someone uses this word to collectively describe me and my people.

    I think that's fair enough don't you?
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    My 2 cents before I go home... each of us carries our own unique world view, which is in turn constructed, or the summation of a variety of cultural world views. Also known as schemas or frameworks.

    I grew up male - that gives me a particular view on things, as well as a particular way of understanding and relating to things. Men want sex which brings on romance, women want romance which brings on sex.

    I grew up White. I see money as a mechanism I can acquire land with and do what the hell I want with it. As opposed to Maori where I am a steward of the land.

    I was raised with a Christian ethos rather than Muslim. I was raised in a family with particular values and ways of doing things... etc...

    As a specific example of who I am and what I identify with - I was raised a Kiwi rather than American.... There is not a drop of Maori blood in me and I am from white middle class NZ. Not a Maori free zone, but I only ever set foot on a Marae during the 2 school trips I did to the local one. But sitting in a hotel in Canada I was just absolutely awestruck, felt proud to the absolute core, when about 2 tables down a group of people huddled together and started singing a Waiata.

    Why? I identified with them! I was proud to be one of them...

    So what the hell happened to my pakeha view of the world? It turned out to be highly contextual.

    I am the summation of all those influences, as we all are. My ethnicity and cultural identity are but a part of that and depending on the situation I will either stand apart, or stand together with others around me..

    that's a lot of words to say ... it's not as simple as a Pakeha world view.
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    Good even-tempered and intelligent posts Trump-lady. : Your question is simple enough but finding images to represent it hmmmm..........

    An effective social-worker will understand cultural differences so they can deal with all types of families. That is what lies behind the assignment.

    NZ is dominated by English systems. (In fact so is India, but that's by the way). The prevailing social attitudes are Western ie. importance of the individual, democracy, equality, private ownership of property, admiration of wealth, ambitious.

    Maori by contrast are communal, believe in the importance of extended family, ancestoral history, a sense of belonging to geographic locations of origin, the individual is less important than the group, share property and wealth, etc.

    Gross generalisations certainly but also a fair summary.

    To find images, have a look for contrasts between Caucasians and American Indians and/or Aboriginals. Same discussion and there should be plenty out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trump-lady View Post
    Hi all, I have to do a 5 minute DVD on Pakeha world views in a group presentation of 30 mins. I drew Pakeha Worldviews and Im finding it really hard to find short vid clips as you tube wont let you download so Ive been using pictures. (Thats alot of pictures) I thought it would be interesting to see also Kiwi Bikers views on what exactly a "Pakeha Worldview" is. Now Im taking it more as a european worldview, worldwide majority thing but really want stuff from New Zealand.

    The topic is for a Bi Cultural Social Work paper and pretty much is asking us to explain how peoples world views can effect social services and practise.

    Basically what do you think in terms of values, morals priorities for the majority of whiteys.

    Now I know this is ganna be a pisstake, and will ruffle feathers but hopefully Ill get some good pics I can add to the movie and some short vids.

    If you dont like it minimise and....as you were

    Cheers
    This has to be a troll. Fark sake I had a bit higher oppinion of you girl ,than this.

    As I am what you are referring to as a honky, I think you are starting to appear to me as one those on the losing side, that just want to believe in a 150 plus year old setlement.
    After visiting the Denpasar museum where it shows the Dutch attrocities committed agaist the Balianese. My daughter asked, "How do you feel about what happened to your grandparents in the 1900s" The guide smiled and said "We have to move on or we have no progress." She was 9 at the time and noticed in her next school project that, the Indonesians had stone buildings and metals tools. Why don't they have them in the Auckland museum. If she ever gets in to politics she believes in capital punishment. I don't.

    You have let yourself down in my eyes "trump-lady"

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    Quote Originally Posted by McJim View Post
    I respect Maori culture, identity and values and therefore call Maori by the collective name they have given themselves - Maori.

    I ask only that the same courtesy be extended to me. I have not chosen the name pakeha and am therefore offended any time someone uses this word to collectively describe me and my people.

    I think that's fair enough don't you?
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