Great news

[MSTRS:Me]

MMP is "not" supposed to work! "anywhere"

That was the intention when they foisted it onto Germany after WW2.

MMP is about compromise, where nothing ever really gets done except weak watery "Green" type touchy feely shit!

It's just like a Stallion with it's nuts out, a neutered, placid, compliant beast of burden!

And New Zealand (politicians) volunteerd for it! Go figure! John.

Wasn't it Joe Public who 'wanted it'? For purposes of fairer governance.
The reality is when FPTP was being reconsidered via referendum, the pollies pushed for MMP (rather than STV) because it offered them a better chance of in-ability (if you see what I mean). The blinkered and trusting Joe Public bought the hype.
It may be fairer than what existed before, but it sure isn't better.

[oldrider]

Wasn't it Joe Public who 'wanted it'? For purposes of fairer governance.
The reality is when FPTP was being reconsidered via referendum, the pollies pushed for MMP (rather than STV) because it offered them a better chance of in-ability (if you see what I mean). The blinkered and trusting Joe Public bought the hype.
It may be fairer than what existed before, but it sure isn't better.

As I saw it at the time:

Majority Joe public wanted some form of "proportional representation" .(including me)

I believe the popular vote was for STV but the pollies pulled a fast one and gave us the choice of continuing with FPP or accepting MMP.(very democratic)

Most people would have prefered FPP to MMP but the pollies added another wee rider:

I.E. If the vote went back to FPP there would never be another opportunity to have "proportional representation" considered again!

So all of those (including me) that wanted "electoral reform" of some kind voted for MMP.(Hobson's choice)

The proposed reforandum that was promised (after a trial period of MMP) never eventuated once MMP was implimented.

The pollies knew they were onto a good thing with "Jobs for life" for doing F-all and after all "they" know whats best for "us" don't they!

Compromise does not entertain "accountability". We were completely sucked in! MMP is here to stay! John.

[SARGE]

what a brilliant idea. I also suggesting a while, male, high income earner, married with kids parallel justice system.

Ill be the judge and finn can be the guy who hands out the punishments.

oooh... Ooooh ... Can i be the bailiff?

[Tank]

oooh... Ooooh ... Can i be the bailiff?

You're hired !

[SARGE]

you're hired !

bitchin.....let the ass kickings begin

Lias .. grab the heavy duty Taser bro...

[fire eyes]

“Young people who aren’t in touch with their culture and feel alienated from wider society need education and training that works for them. Trade-based training that leads directly to jobs is a win-win situation for those young people and for New Zealand.

“Restorative justice and community-based sentences are great ways to make troubled young people face up to their crimes, reconnect with their communities and stay out of jail.

“Breaking the cycle of criminality makes sense economically as well as socially. Targeted interventions can make the difference between quickly getting a troubled youngster back onto the straight and narrow, or into a life of crime.

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I would like to see the above initiative available and implemented for all young people in New Zealand. Targeting one specific group creates the devide even further .. as opinionated even just through this thread. I cannot understand why there is a continual need to segregate.

Cultural identity is very important but is still only part of the solution. Why is there significant emphasis still placed on Cultural Identity as the core solution. Why are people not educated about the connection between individualism, cultural orientation & unification of all peoples.

This has become so complex and un-manageable. Why are the basics of humanity not taught. These young people/adults committing crime have become desensitized .. self consumtion blurs empathy/responsibility/accountability & respect for humanity.

Get back to basics. Because we are headed that way anyway with one hell of a bang. Might pay to try and at least opt for a softer landing.

[Headbanger]

Regarding training, and our brown skin brothers.

My entire crew are Maori, They are a step above a lot of their mates because they want to work, to do well, work hard,to achieve.....to a point.

And that point is payday, then its booze and cigarettes and if they can walk the next morning then maybe go to work in a shit state.

I push these fuckers into training (provided by the company of course), I promise them better wages, job security,prospects, a better career.

Yeah right,They never do the training, they put in the hard slog, put in the hours, dangerous hard work, booze it up, get busted for their 10th dic and lose their licence indefinitely, and sometimes go to jail.

[fire eyes]

When the focus in life is to party up what else is expected. There is so much more ..

[FJRider]

Compromise does not entertain "accountability". We were completely sucked in! MMP is here to stay! John.

A compromise is never perfection... in any way shape or form.

MMP is a goverment by committee.....

[Whynot]

They are not going to attract Maori votes and the policy is likely to alenaiate 'middle' New Zealand.
Skyryder

Hasn't 'middle' New Zealand already moved to Australia ... ?

[Okey Dokey]

MMP is "not" supposed to work! "anywhere"

That was the intention when they foisted it onto Germany after WW2.

John.

That is my understanding of MMP as well.

I, too, thought a more representative form of gvmt would be good, but MMP was not my first choice. Voted for it knowing there was to be a follow up referendum in case it sucked...guess what it does suck...guess what else, no referendum...bastards

Why didn't I see it coming?

[GIXser]

Helping to fix the racial divide in NZ the Green party are proposing a parallel justice system - just for Maori - aimed at (get this) reducing the unjust imprisonment of many Maori.

http://www.greens.org.nz/node/20880

"A parallel Maori justice system will be proposed by Green Party Law and Order/Maori Affairs Spokesperson Metiria Turei at tomorrow’s Crime Summit.

“Because Maori are more likely to be stopped and searched, arrested rather than cautioned, and receive higher sentences than Pakeha offenders, Maori crime and imprisonment rates are elevated,” Mrs Turei said today.

“The establishment of a Maori justice system that runs alongside the existing legal system – using the education system as a model – will help to eliminate the impact of this systemic racial profiling, reduce the unjust imprisonment of many Maori and stem Maori reoffending.”


What a brilliant idea. I also suggesting a While, Male, High income earner, married with kids parallel justice system.

Ill be the judge and Finn can be the guy who hands out the punishments.

can i be the executioner please..pretty please.... please...