Kiwitrackdays, Sat 11 April at Pukekohe

[MaxCannon]

I thought that at first too, but on the track....

Everyone is going the same way

There isn't anyone using their cellphone, reading a map, eating their
breakfast etc while driving

No-one is parked across the road trying to back their boat into their driveway

The surface (even Puke's bumpy one) is better than a normal road

There's an ambulance no more than 3 minutes away

Ultimately you have to decide what level of risk you are comfy with. Personally I'm certain that riding too and from the track on public roads at normal speed is far more dangerous than riding around the track at full speed.

[quackquack]

[QUOTE=MaxCannon;2018232]I thought that at first too, but on the track....

Everyone is going the same way
Not at the same speed though which is the main danger of other riders

There isn't anyone using their cellphone, reading a map, eating their
breakfast etc while driving
100% agreed

No-one is parked across the road trying to back their boat into their driveway
People slowing down entering pits or bikes slowing due to breakage (causing fluids on the track) crossing apexs while the session is taking place or rider waiting up in stupid position.

Another problem area at Puke is people leaving the Pits

The surface (even Puke's bumpy one) is better than a normal road
Not over the top of the hill and by the kink coming out of the hairpin where there is a 90 degree wall (which is the most dangerous area in all of motorsport in NZ)

There's an ambulance no more than 3 minutes away
If your dead do you care

Ultimately you have to decide what level of risk you are comfy with. Personally I'm certain that riding too and from the track on public roads at normal speed is far more dangerous than riding around the track at full speed.

It depends how and where you ride the speed adds a risk for sure no one can deny that but I understand that it still is normally your own F*** ups at the track that cause carnage where on the road it can be a load of other things that add up to a high risk.

Myself I wear all the gear to protect myself, I would like the track to be as safe as possible so if the Fuck up happens I'm protected.

I mean what does it cost to put up the bags I'm guessing between $500 to $1500 which is not a lot if it saves one persons life, what price does everyone else put on saftey of all of us on the track.

Answers after your qustions/statements

[Gremlin]

I think only AMCC puts the bails out. AMCC Trackdays are a little different me thinks, as we have marshals just like race meetings (just a smaller number required) and to us (marshals) its business as usual, just at a slower pace.

Normal trackdays are more just, track is open, rock up and go...

There's quite a bit of work involved. Local farmer is contracted to drop them around the circuit, then the AMCC marshals tie them all up, at least an hours work to tie and un-tie them, depending how many marshals are doing them at once.

Yes yes, its a track, but over the hill for instance, how many have died on the same corner? Probably not quite like the road. Very little run off... and not much soft stuff to hit if the bails aren't there.

[quackquack]

What do you mean they don't have Marshalls either, that settle it for me the AMCC day was Awesome and it got me ready to do more days but I would expect the same level of safety when the $$$$$ to do the day are about the same.

[Gremlin]

not sure how many, if any, marshalls there are. I know its not AMCC marshals (coz I am one)

Would doubt there is a professional marshalling crew, due to the cost... but the best option is to ask them.

[MaxCannon]

There are definitely flag marshalls around the track.

I don't have the definite answer on crash bags.

No doubt Pukekohe is a risky track to ride on. Although is you get turn 14 wrong at Taupo there is a concrete wall along pit straight to crash into.

IMHO I feel safer doing 200 at a trackday than doing 60 in rush hour on the southern motorway

[GIXser]

i agree they need to put crash bails out, they are right there stored at puke, it would be easy to put a dozen or so out there, i will email steve now!!

[Gremlin]

I reckon you would need more than a dozen. Over the hill would be the priority.

Generally, we have a line running the length of the ford signs, and then stack twins at an angle a foot off the side of the track. The idea is that you hit the twins, slows you down, then you hit the bails right before the wall...

In the dip, we run three lines of bales. Know you have raced there, but not sure how much you have seen of the prep at the blur you pass by

[quackquack]

I reckon you would need more than a dozen. Over the hill would be the priority.

Generally, we have a line running the length of the ford signs, and then stack twins at an angle a foot off the side of the track. The idea is that you hit the twins, slows you down, then you hit the bails right before the wall...

In the dip, we run three lines of bales. Know you have raced there, but not sure how much you have seen of the prep at the blur you pass by

I'm sorry the dip is that the left hander out of the hairpin.

[Gremlin]

The dip is about there. The point for the dip is on the inside of the track just as you head into the final right hander (over the hill).

For bail purposes, yes, the left hander after the hairpin, all the bales in front of pit entry

[kittytamer]

Well, the weather is looking good, so I'll be there. A bit more track time before the AMCC enduro at the end of the month!

[MaxCannon]

Chris - I think I owe you $5 from Saturday for the Garage.

If you can beat me around the track it's yours

[puddy]

Yep, I'm going! Weather looks good too. I remember seeing the bails coming over the hill at past Kiwitrackdays.

[icekiwi]

Yep, I'm going! Weather looks good too. I remember seeing the bails coming over the hill at past Kiwitrackdays.

See you there...

[jamiey]

Bails or no bails. Weather looks good and a nice dry track will make it all the safer still. See you all there