Whangarei Police chase

[georgedubyabush]

Someone mentioned it earlier somewhere in the thread that perhaps the cop pulling out didn't cause the rider to swerve.

The Northern Advocate had an article yesterday on the report and implied that the cop pulled out in front of (not at) the rider, then the rider overtook the cop which resulted in the crash. This is the same cop that had his lights on so the rider surely wouldve seen him in plenty of time. Do we get to read the actual report?

They had a picture of the bike too. It's the same wreck I saw in at Shaws Kawasaki when I got my service a couple of months ago. (They share a service alley with the copshop)

[SPman]

Originally posted by wkid_one
If you do the crime - do the time!
You know you are speeding - you know the punishment for speeding - and you know the risks of speeding......
Think of a speeding ticket as a speeding premium - you pay one once in a while for the PRIVILEDGE of speeding.  

Fuck off!

[SPman]

Originally posted by wkid_one
If you do the crime - do the time!
You know you are speeding - you know the punishment for speeding - and you know the risks of speeding......
Think of a speeding ticket as a speeding premium - you pay one once in a while for the PRIVILEDGE of speeding.  

Cliche, cliche, cliche!


Fuck off!

[Lou Girardin]

Making running fron the Police a capital offense? That's a hell of a leap isn't it?
By the way, if your bikes stolen, do you really think the cops give a shit?
Lou

[scumdog]

Field of Dreams, your replies are cliches - or is that you just baiting us up by putting in two identical replies???
At the end of the day there has to be SOME incentive to not travel at warp factor three ALL the time!!!

[Jackrat]

Getting shot for running from the cops,A hell of a leap,No Iv,e always felt that way,Do the cops care if your bike gets nicked ??
probably not,,Ever wonder why.If a cop gets screwed about by some tosser on a bike how do you think he,s going to view the next one?.The very simple FACT remains that a young girl died because of the actions of a BIKER who was given the chance to stop and chose not to.I,m damn sure if the cops didn,t chase him and he then ran into you,your self centered blame it on the cops attitude would change to suit yourself.

[Big Dog]

Originally posted by Jackrat
your self centered blame it on the cops attitude would change to suit yourself.

So you think if the cops had abandoned the chase completely and the biker hit her anyway they would be moaning about how its the cops fault because they let the biker go?

Something to cogitate on huh?

[Jackrat]

No,I think the cops should have run him off the road before he got that far.The cops are damned if they do,damned if they don,t.
Some people feed on it.,,, Tell it to the dead girl.
Something else to think about.

[k14]

Yeah, i agree it was totally the idiots fault for trying to ditch the cop. Also i dont think that if a savillian had pulled out in front of the biker they would have been convicted, if they had a half decent lawyer, they may not have even been charged.

A few months ago i did a runner. I just thought it would be "fun". The consequences never crossed my mind. I ended up canning off goin round a corner. Looking back at it i am kind of glad i fell off when i did. I only ended up getting charged with failing to stop, but it could have easily been alot worse. I could have easily ended up in prison or even worse. When i look back at it i needed something like that to knock some sense into me. I drove like a complete dickhead with no reguard for the safety of me or others. Now i dont even go more than 10kph over the speed limit. When i think about it i am ashamed at how stupid and immature i was. I havent really told anyone about it cause it was such a stupid thing to do.

I dont have any sympathy for the rider that got killed. He got what he deserved. I should have got in alot more shit than i did. But i appreciate that the judge and cops were a bit lienient on me because it was a first offence. But i have definately learnt my lesson, and will never do that again.

I hope noone reading this will make the same mistake that the dead guy and i did. It isnt worth it for a $200 or so saving.

[Lou Girardin]

That's a hell of an admission, k14. I admire your guts in doing it.
But, if you're on 90 demerits or more than 50 km/h over, then that's quite an incentive for some people to run. They're going to lose their licence anyway. That's why I'm against automatic disqualification, if you think you have a chance to keep your licence most people would stop. Personally, I don't think my bike skills are good enough to lose a cop and in a car you'll be stuffed by traffic anyway.
Lou

[Coldkiwi]

that does take guts to admit.

Of course, if there's enough traffic around it should be mere childs play to loose a cop car and even do so in relative safety. Granted if thats not the case though I can see how it would escalate into a very dangerous manner of riding.

[Kwaka-Kid]

i dunno Coldkiwi... if we are talking about bike cops thru traffic.. yeah they might have wide bikes etc.. but i honestly think too many ppl out there underestimate either a) the bike, or b) the cop riding it's abilities... these guys put up with runners weekly etc, its nothing big, because they are used to it i feel most often remain calm and focused etc etc, i could harp on forever, but on the most honest note ever i dont think i could outrun any of the cop's on bikes whilst on my VFR400, not even with the "ive got nothing to loose" state of mind.-and with that state of mind you end up with a ride in an ambulance instead of a patrol unit.

[k14]

Those were my thoughts Kawa Kid. But now i hold a slightly different view.

I was in moderate to heavy traffic conditions in surburban streets. But the holden stayed right on my arse. All of the traffic were pulling over and he was travelling at virtually the same speed as me. Which was in excess of 120kph at times. So i was pushing it too hard going round a corner and went over a manhole cover and lost the front end. Next thing i knew i was being read my rights.

I hope i get through to some people that the cops always win. I could look at it and say that i could have got away and not been arrested etc. But i also could have ended up in a body bag, or killed an innocent bystander. If i had got away i wouldnt have learnt my lesson and would have probably done it again.

I have to live with this conviction for the rest of my life. It had already cost me two prospective jobs and it is near impossible for me to get insurance now. But i look at it in the way that i got off lightly. As i said earlier, i could be in prison or even dead.

I just hope that you guys will take note of my experiences and think twice before you try to loose the cop.

[scumdog]

Good on you K14 for having the balls to admit your experience, I too did a couple of runners in cars in th '70s, not much traffic down south back then and a higher top speed on the open road soon gave me enough gap to shoot down a side road and lose the cop.
Not now, no-way, in hindsight I have thought "it would have been easy to lose him" but thats after the event with the famous 20-20- hindsight, who actually knows what will be the REAL outome when they decide to do a runner?? only God I'd say!!!
It ain't worth it.

[Jackrat]

Good on ya,K14.yeah we all make mistakes an pay for them in our own ways.It,s nice when someone admits to learning from them.Iv,e just got home from the RUSTY NUTS MC 1000 miler,two
guys on the run did a runner with speeds over two hundred km
being claimed by the cops who are now bitching at the club.
Nether of these two guys are club members but the club is having to cop the flack,We can,t and don,t try to control the speed of guys who show up,but the coppers ether don,t know or don,t care about that.It pisses me off a little that these guys have diss,ed our club an now there is a copper out there that will nail me at any cost.Ahhhh well he would probably nail me anyway but it is something to think about.
Cheers.