What would you ask MNZ for?

[quallman1234]

Incidently I would like to see a clear second step for the young racers that guys like oyster,billy and Aj turbo are training up though the 150ss series.
Theres an old phrase in selling --it says lets "Feed the funnel"
In essence we start with 1000 riders and by the end we might have 50 world classers.
After 150ss theres no clear next step for them to progress to

Maybe your not really aware of it but 125GP is the next clear step, from 150ss, thats exactly where the really quick 150 riders last year and the year before have gone. Its after 125's it gets a bit confusing imo.

F3 isn't much faster, almost downgrading, due to the fact your jumping on communter bikes instead of GP bikes.
F2/F1 is far too expensive atm, for younger riders with no support/even with support. Hopefully things will change with the new rules proposed.

[Ivan]

Maybe your not really aware of it but 125GP is the next clear step, from 150ss, thats exactly where the really quick 150 riders last year and the year before have gone. Its after 125's it gets a bit confusing imo.

F3 isn't much faster, almost downgrading, due to the fact your jumping on communter bikes instead of GP bikes.
F2/F1 is far too expensive atm, for younger riders with no support/even with support. Hopefully things will change with the new rules proposed.

but shit the Formula 3 bikes with a nice suspension system the bikes handle really well and go really well.

f1/f2 are still commuterbikes really to at the endof the day ecause they were once road bikes and have lights etc removed,

I argue tho that saying F3 is Downgrading depends how much you want to put into your bike same as 125's really

[GSVR]

http://www.mnz.co.nz/ceo_newsletter_pp_18.aspx

After reading this newletter I don't think I have to ask as they are already onto it.

I don't subsribe to the belief if your not doing around 1.02 around Puke on a 600 your not on the pace shouldn't be there competing at the nationals.

http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1055735


1 88 Sam Smith 15 15:02.941 59.451 12 172.034
2 G Gareth Jones 15 15:02.955 0.014 59.080 15 173.114
3 1 Dennis Charlett 15 15:05.221 2.280 59.420 6 172.124
4 2 James Smith 15 15:12.251 9.310 1:00.108 5 170.154
5 23 Karl Morgan 15 15:14.095 11.154 1:00.057 13 170.298
6 6 Nick Cole 15 15:15.370 12.429 1:00.184 3 169.939
7 65 Adam Chambers 15 15:24.458 21.517 1:00.474 13 169.124
8 94 Dave Manuell 15 15:24.628 21.687 1:00.979 15 167.723
9 16 Jeremy Holmes 15 15:26.183 23.242 1:00.891 14 167.966
10 28 Brian Wood 15 15:45.832 42.891 1:01.383 6 166.619
11 165 Jamie Rajek 15 15:45.961 43.020 1:01.523 14 166.240
12 712 Shane Tunnicliffe 15 16:03.602 1:00.661 1:03.196 12 161.839
13 808 Marcus Beagley 14 15:06.322 1 Lap 1:03.744 7 160.448
14 158 Phil Endean 14 15:12.108 5.786 1:03.596 13 160.821
15 80 Phil Snowdon 14 15:33.170 26.848 1:05.645 12 155.802
16 79 Greg Percival 14 15:33.359 27.037 1:05.906 5 155.185
17 95 Gah Chan 13 15:06.455 2 Laps 1:07.961 5 150.492
Not classified (65% = 10 Laps)
DNS 515 Jamie Galway 0 --:--:--.--- --:--:--.--- 0 -

Bets on how ling before the suspension supplier or one of his brownnosed followers jumps on here and quotes me. Am I really that interesting that you have to quote every post I make?

[Tony.OK]

Bets on how ling before the suspension supplier or one of his brownnosed followers jumps on here and quotes me. Am I really that interesting that you have to quote every post I make?

"How to win friends and influence people"............................simply come onto KB and call several of NZ's competitive Nationals riders Brown nosers!

[Pussy]

I'm not going to quote you, Gary.... but I'd like some insight as to what the hell is eating you?

This question is without malice

[GSVR]

I'm not going to quote you, Gary.... but I'd like some insight as to what the hell is eating you?

This question is without malice

Should I give Robert an opportunity to go back and retract his posts before sending this off?


Hi Paul Pavletich,

Just want to give you a heads up as to whats happening on the Kiwibiker site. I believe there is a campaign operating to silence any posters who support your veiws or don't support Mr Robert Taylors veiws concerning the current proposals. It would be a shame if the current proposals were not dabated fairly and the best outcome for all riders and concerned partys was reached.

Kiwibiker has long been a platform for Mr Taylor to vent his politcal veiws and campigning, as well as promote and advertise his bussiness interests. Now he is using it to publicly undermine you the CEO and MNZ with his posting.

Examples taken directly off very recent posts by Mr Taylor.

"So how well is a shock that is valved to ride the bumps at Pukekohe going to perform at tire shredding Teretonga? Dont say you can just adjust to compensate with the clickers because the response range is not the magic cure all that many mistakenly think it is. This ruling proposal confirms beyond all doubt how little those that draft ( or rather request ) such proposals actually know and will only draw support from the least experienced or those that havent had the benefit of same. This has the CEOs smell all over it."

"Demonstrably certain people within that organisation have no respect for democratic process and common etiquette."

"While you are so freely delighting in using the word ''cheating'' pause to think how the powers that be have effectively cheated us out of an excellent road race commissioner."

"Well, PP needs to approach SOMEONE that abundantly understands chassis / suspension and tyre dynamics because its clear by the proposed ruling that there is VERY LITTLE understanding."

"Yep, and I can tell you for free that MX people are not very happy with the current dictatorship."

"The Labour party, a refuge for queers."


A high proportion of roadracers frequent the site. Some as visitors others as posters. I have noticed prominant figures in the motorcycle world use it as a very good forum for getting ideas and feedback or promoting events, etc. But I consider the use of it for political purposes to be not right.

Regards Garry Hosking.
I'm not MNZ member but am a motorcycle enthusist like yourself.


Perhaps Kiwibiker should start a forum for current MNZ license holders only?

Thanks Pussy it does actually feel good talk about this!

[Kickaha]

Should I give Robert an opportunity to go back and retract his posts before sending this off?
Hi Paul Pavletich,

Just want to give you a heads up as to whats happening on the Kiwibiker site. I believe there is a campaign operating to silence any posters who support your veiws or don't support Mr Robert Taylors veiws concerning the current proposals.

What evidence do you have to support that veiw?

Did you ever think that maybe rather than a "campaign operating to silence any posters who support your veiws or don't support Mr Robert Taylors veiws concerning the current proposals" that maybe that the majority of people support Robert and agree with what he says?

[cowpoos]

Should I give Robert an opportunity to go back and retract his posts before sending this off?


Hi Paul Pavletich,

Just want to give you a heads up as to whats happening on the Kiwibiker site. I believe there is a campaign operating to silence any posters who support your veiws or don't support Mr Robert Taylors veiws concerning the current proposals. It would be a shame if the current proposals were not dabated fairly and the best outcome for all riders and concerned partys was reached.

Kiwibiker has long been a platform for Mr Taylor to vent his politcal veiws and campigning, as well as promote and advertise his bussiness interests. Now he is using it to publicly undermine you the CEO and MNZ with his posting.

Examples taken directly off very recent posts by Mr Taylor.

"So how well is a shock that is valved to ride the bumps at Pukekohe going to perform at tire shredding Teretonga? Dont say you can just adjust to compensate with the clickers because the response range is not the magic cure all that many mistakenly think it is. This ruling proposal confirms beyond all doubt how little those that draft ( or rather request ) such proposals actually know and will only draw support from the least experienced or those that havent had the benefit of same. This has the CEOs smell all over it."

"Demonstrably certain people within that organisation have no respect for democratic process and common etiquette."

"While you are so freely delighting in using the word ''cheating'' pause to think how the powers that be have effectively cheated us out of an excellent road race commissioner."

"Well, PP needs to approach SOMEONE that abundantly understands chassis / suspension and tyre dynamics because its clear by the proposed ruling that there is VERY LITTLE understanding."

"Yep, and I can tell you for free that MX people are not very happy with the current dictatorship."

"The Labour party, a refuge for queers."


A high proportion of roadracers frequent the site. Some as visitors others as posters. I have noticed prominant figures in the motorcycle world use it as a very good forum for getting ideas and feedback or promoting events, etc. But I consider the use of it for political purposes to be not right.

Regards Garry Hosking.
I'm not MNZ member but am a motorcycle enthusist like yourself.


Perhaps Kiwibiker should start a forum for current MNZ license holders only?

So you have a personal issue with Robert Taylor....is that it?

[Tony.OK]

Seriously man.................WTF?

You've stated that you are not an MNZ member............does that mean you are not a racer? Or intend to be?

You've omitted the many posts from others that race or are in the field of racing that have shared RT's views.
Coming here and looking like a 'tell tale' child because someones views are not shared by you is frankly just plain weird.

I understood some of your questioning but now its just gotten pathetic.
Ignore list for you sorry........................

[Robert Taylor]

Heck Im scared!!!Nothing that Paul doesnt already know and Im more than happy to repeat. Im sure he is big enough to take the heat that is coming his way from better people than me.
Funny thing, could still ( albeit briefly )pass the time of day at the MX on the weekend, despite the fact his actions if fully implemented would effectively shaft many aftermarket suppliers and their viability to employ, and that if myself and a whole army got our way hed be ejected from his job.
And seeing as politics were mentioned any motel that sends away Trevor Mallard is a top place I want to stay!!
Ill spare GSVR too much further embarrassment beyond the real drubbing he recieved from several on another thread last night. ''Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'' ( or suchlike )
But away from small minded pettiness....( including me )
As far as injecting some positive action into road racing Shaun Harris and Peter Fenton have got it right, appoint a fulltime promoter and raise levies to cover it ( or divert otherwise wasteful spending ) And Ive said it before those who are pulling the strings had best repair their relationship with the industry otherwise there will be no industry support. That cannot be allowed to happen.

[Ivan]

Im shocked no pun intended I cant see a point to the pretty straight forward lookings that there is a personal attack on Robert goign on?

Is it really that bad that someone as good as Robert actually gives out free advice on the forums and is only stating what he knows as he does it for a job?

Over seas from whatI have read you would pay to hear information we recieve?

Its really confusing and no posts on KB are going to change my mind Keep it up Robert.

[Wingnut]

I'm not MNZ member but am a motorcycle enthusist like yourself.

Quite an opinion for someone which the actual issues have no direct affect upon. I assumed you actually competed in the 600s. Classic!!!

[suzuki mama]

Robert Taylor ,keep it up ,last time i looked i wasnt part of any grand scheme to run down MNZand the CEO THAT I WAS AWARE OF
IM SIMPLY A RIDER EXPRESSING MY OPINIONS!
I have noted that if you say anything mildly critical of both sooner or later a personal attack will be launched against you.
So fire away because im not afraid to stand up and be counted.Paul P has totally alienated the Industry,lost the road race commisioner ,lost the best team road racing ever has, lost the best media deal in order to employ his mate ,keeps increasing the office staff to what end? interferes in the running of other commisions to the extent commissioners have felt intimidated ,ripped off the industry with his poxy motorcycle show,which incidently only made money because of what Industry charged to attend,and if it was so outstanding a success as we are led to believe why wasnt it run againand has more clubs and riders questioning why they should belong to MNZ THAN EVER BEFORE.
Robert Taylor is a buisnessman with a great love for the sport he lives in the real world.
paul p is a liability ,the president is a liability for allowing this situation to happen Time for a change

[brads]

Hi gary hosking,
Firstly let me introduce myself,Im BROWNNOSE SUPPORTER NUMBER 4.
why do I support Mr Taylor,because unlike you he has our sports best interests at heart,if he has a concern over suspension you would have to be a muppet like yourself not to listen and make changes.
Your continuous bleating about Mr Taylor only being in it for Financial gain is fucking bollocks and well over used.
We have all heard about some major cock ups out of MNZ,Things need to change,SIMPLE.
As for your post dated 22/4/09 at 19.18pm,and heres me thinking that its only kids that go running off to tell on people,GROW UP!!
Brad Selfe
MNZ member.

[budda]

Hi gary hosking,
Firstly let me introduce myself,Im BROWNNOSE SUPPORTER NUMBER 4.
why do I support Mr Taylor,because unlike you he has our sports best interests at heart,if he has a concern over suspension you would have to be a muppet like yourself not to listen and make changes.
Your continuous bleating about Mr Taylor only being in it for Financial gain is fucking bollocks and well over used.
We have all heard about some major cock ups out of MNZ,Things need to change,SIMPLE.
As for your post dated 22/4/09 at 19.18pm,and heres me thinking that its only kids that go running off to tell on people,GROW UP!!
Brad Selfe
MNZ member.

Well SAID Brattley ..... BJT666 FOR PRESIDENT