Anyone want to take part in a Hikoi against the Supercity?

[ManDownUnder]

ok - I'm opting out of the thread. removing Moari seats from the council I agree with.

Anti Maori racist crap - nup

[Skyryder]

Well I see the Maori bashing to use an adage that should have floated away with Noah’s ark is still alive and well. As much as I don’t particularly like Treaty issues this is exactly the issue that Maori are up in arms about. Key is on record on a number of occasions in stating the importance of the Treaty and Nationals obligations to it. One does not have to go far back, like the last Waitangi day when Key was strutting the importance of Maori, the Treaty and the National Party willing to work with Maori. Shit they even signed up to this with great fanfare. Now once again Key has shown his true colours: his word means nothing. So what’s else is new??

The Royale Commission into the Goverence of a super city recommended Maori seats on the council. This is in keeping with the provisions of the Treaty and its provisions of partnership. By refusing to accept the recommendations of the commission Key and his Government are reneging on their commitment to treaty obligations and in doing so are laying the seeds for future grievances from Maori at a much later date. And for what purpose: political expediency in support of ACT’s support should the Maori Party withdraw from the coalition to name one.

But given Key’s penchant for U-turns I’m not holding my breath that he will dig-in on this one. In fact it’s possible that he may try for some kind of a trade off over the Fore Shore and Seabed deal. Like Maori will fall for that.


Skyryder

[Sollyboy]

What is a Hikoi anyway?

A good way to get out of work and call it cultural so you can still get payed

[jtzzr]

I will not be attending the Hikoi for two reasons (1) I`m too bloody lazy to walk. (2) I really don`t give a shit.

[MisterD]

Well I see the Maori bashing to use an adage that should have floated away with Noah’s ark is still alive and well. As much as I don’t particularly like Treaty issues this is exactly the issue that Maori are up in arms about. Key is on record on a number of occasions in stating the importance of the Treaty and Nationals obligations to it. One does not have to go far back, like the last Waitangi day when Key was strutting the importance of Maori, the Treaty and the National Party willing to work with Maori. Shit they even signed up to this with great fanfare. Now once again Key has shown his true colours: his word means nothing. So what’s else is new??

The Royale Commission into the Goverence of a super city recommended Maori seats on the council. This is in keeping with the provisions of the Treaty and its provisions of partnership. By refusing to accept the recommendations of the commission Key and his Government are reneging on their commitment to treaty obligations and in doing so are laying the seeds for future grievances from Maori at a much later date. And for what purpose: political expediency in support of ACT’s support should the Maori Party withdraw from the coalition to name one.

But given Key’s penchant for U-turns I’m not holding my breath that he will dig-in on this one. In fact it’s possible that he may try for some kind of a trade off over the Fore Shore and Seabed deal. Like Maori will fall for that.

JK and Rodney have stated that their belief is that a Maori advisory group would give better input for Maori than a token three seats (one not even elected!) on the council that could simply be voted down all the time. If the people of Auckland want specific Maori seats, there is a provision in the Local Government act for a Maori ward to be created if 5% of the population vote for it...fine by me, lets see if the grass roots want it, or if this is really (as I believe) just the professional agitators at it again...

Pita Sharples should just STFU (but he won't because as a small party he has to be in campaign mode all the time) and stand some competent candidates for the council. If they were actually to do this, and drop the racist Maori dog-whistle in favour of some real policy for Auckland I'll bet you a pound to a pinch of shit that Aucklanders will have no problem putting votes their way...

[MisterD]

There's alwys someone out there with a better way of phrasing it...Blair Mulholland

For those that don't like linkys:

Dear Tangata Whenua,

From all the news reports I've been hearing lately, it seems as though some of you are confused as to your right to representation in Auckland politics. Some of you are calling not only for special seats on the new Council reserved for Maori, but also an unelected Councillor representing local Iwi. You seem to believe, incorrectly, that Maori are not allowed to serve as Councillors.

I am happy to report that this is not the case! You've been able to be represented the whole time!

It's easy to get Maori representation on the new Council. When the time comes, just visit the Auckland Council website and download a nomination form, just like this one. Fill it out, drop it off, run a campaign on issues people care about, and you should have no problem getting yourself, or someone similarly swarthy, a seat at the table.

It really is a shame nobody thought of this before, since some of you are planning to go out and march on the streets about it. Sounds like a lot of effort to me, when you could just put your name forward and get elected instead, no?

I honestly don't know who all these racist bigots are who are telling you you aren't capable of getting votes. That Harawira bloke sounds a lot like one of those chaps from the National Front - always trying to put the bros down. Funny name, what is that, Italian? Exactly why we need some Maori politicians instead of these dickheads telling you that you can't do stuff.

Well I hope we've cleared that up. No need to worry about rednecks like Harawira and Hawke, you have a right to vote and stand and be elected for the new Council just like everybody else. All you need to do is put it into action and stand!

Good luck in 2010. I hope to see some of you on the hustings, and some of you at the table when it is all over.

[Skyryder]

JK and Rodney have stated that their belief is that a Maori advisory group would give better input for Maori than a token three seats (one not even elected!) on the council that could simply be voted down all the time. If the people of Auckland want specific Maori seats, there is a provision in the Local Government act for a Maori ward to be created if 5% of the population vote for it...fine by me, lets see if the grass roots want it, or if this is really (as I believe) just the professional agitators at it again...

I do not doubt that there are provisions in the local Government Act for the creation of a Maori ward but the Treaty in no way is subject to the rules of democracy. And here is the defining difference. The Treaty is a partnership between Maori and the Crown. Our democratic process is a means of where indavidulas become our representitives 'to' the Crown. The Crown is represented by the Governor General so in effect to signatories to the treaty both the Crown and Maori are not elected. This is a fact that many do not understand so any suggestion that representation must be by democratic process is in my opinion an acknowledgent of this lack of understanding of the term partnership.

Both Key and hide are basing their beliefs that Maori can be better represented on ideological grounds. The Royal Commison spent some time on this issue and taking into account all views by way of submissions.

Given the distrust that many see in politicians I can only wonder why so many now to offer support to both Key and Hide. One who lies to the people of NZ and the other whose interests lie with offshore coperate buisness at the expense of kiwis.


Skyryder

[MisterD]

I do not doubt that there are provisions in the local Government Act for the creation of a Maori ward but the Treaty in no way is subject to the rules of democracy. And here is the defining difference. The Treaty is a partnership between Maori and the Crown.

Do what? Correct me where I'm going wrong here - the Treaty has three sections right? 1) Crown gets sovereignty 2) Chiefs get continued exclusive ownership of everything they have (this is where all the bunfights about meanings and translations reside for the purposes of extorting millions of $$ from teh gummint) and 3) Maori get the same rights as British Subjects.

Which part of that requires special treatment in terms of seats on Auckland's council? They have the same rights (as noted by Mr Mulholland) as everyone else to vote and stand for election.

Given the distrust that many see in politicians I can only wonder why so many now to offer support to both Key and Hide. One who lies to the people of NZ and the other whose interests lie with offshore coperate buisness at the expense of kiwis.

As opposed to a PM that buys a UN job with our money....or an MP that pushes an anti thermal electricity generation policy whilst owning shares in a wind-farm or a billion $$ handout for house insulation whilst owning shares in Pink Batts? Whatabout cash for citizenship?

[Skyryder]

Do what? Correct me where I'm going wrong here - the Treaty has three sections right? 1) Crown gets sovereignty 2) Chiefs get continued exclusive ownership of everything they have (this is where all the bunfights about meanings and translations reside for the purposes of extorting millions of $$ from teh gummint) and 3) Maori get the same rights as British Subjects.

Which part of that requires special treatment in terms of seats on Auckland's council? They have the same rights (as noted by Mr Mulholland) as everyone else to vote and stand for election.

I don't have any issues with the above. But the Treaty is about more than this. It is a partnership between Maori and the Crown. Make no mistake I am not a great fan of the Treaty. It is a document that 'relates' to both the Crown and Maori. Due to the fact that at the time of signing NZ was being administed from Australia and our democratic instatutions had not been setup. Partnerships by their very nature are not subject to the democratic process.

It is also worth noting that the Royal commision recomended three Maori seats on the Council. I can only conclude that they too saw this as being in keeping with the 'intent' of the partnership 'principle' of the Treaty. Intent being the operative word.

I thought this was worth a read.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/2339...tole-our-voice


Skyryder

[MisterD]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/2339...tole-our-voice

1) "No evidence that Auckland wants it" - bullshit.
2) Why do we bother listening to Len Brown or Andrew Williams? Do I really have to point out the self-interest inherent in their opposition to the plans?

I think Aucklanders really, really want to have one single council with none of this stupid f-ing about with Mike Lee and his lefties on the ARC throwing money away trying to be an event promotion company...

[Skyryder]

1) "No evidence that Auckland wants it" - bullshit.
2) Why do we bother listening to Len Brown or Andrew Williams? Do I really have to point out the self-interest inherent in their opposition to the plans?

I think Aucklanders really, really want to have one single council with none of this stupid f-ing about with Mike Lee and his lefties on the ARC throwing money away trying to be an event promotion company...

So where is this evidence that Auckland wants this.

The Royal Commission was set up by Labour. This is the reason Key and Hide have decided on their agenda and disregarded the Commissions recomendations.

Skyyrder

[MisterD]

So where is this evidence that Auckland wants this.

Well speaking as an Auckland resisdent - I've only heard the soon-to-be-redundant mayors saying it's a bad idea.

The Royal Commission was set up by Labour. This is the reason Key and Hide have decided on their agenda and disregarded the Commissions recomendations.

The Royal commission was set up by Labour to park the issue until after the election, I notice that their response has been to criticise JK and Rodney, but not to actually say what they would do different...the RC's recommendations have not been discarded, just tweaked.