This makes me unhappy with the world I live in

[98tls]

Interesting here is the depth of emotion felt against the perpetrators of the crime in this thread, versus the forgive-and-forget attitude being demonstrated by some KB members in the Tony Veitch sentencing thread. I'm not endeavoring to compare the offensiveness of either crime, merely noting that crimes against animals at times provokes a stronger response than comparable crimes against humans.

Have noted similar in the past.Personally i hate scumbuckets wether there crimes are against humans or animals though then again the two can be easily confused it seems.What defies logic is our justice systems inability to decipher between the two,seems as long as you can stand on your hind legs in the dock your judged human.

[Trudes]

To me it's about defenselessness.... animals, children, old people and people with disabilities.

[Ocean1]

noting that crimes against animals at times provokes a stronger response than comparable crimes against humans.

I can understand that.

To me it's about defenselessness.... animals, children, old people and people with disabilities.

And women.

Oh, sorry, you covered that under disabilities...

[Trudes]

And women.

Oh, sorry, you covered that under disabilities...

Nope, I would never consider myself defenseless, the minute I do I'll probably become a victim.

[Number One]

I would never consider myself defenseless, the minute I do I'll probably become a victim.

U read or at least echo my thoughts far too much!

[jrandom]

U read or at least echo my thoughts far too much!

I'd be interested to know what you and Trudes consider your 'defenses', and what you think you're defending against.

[Number One]

I'd be interested to know what you and Trudes consider your 'defenses', and what you think you're defending against.

Pesonally I have no desire nor do I see any need to explain it to you or anyone else for that matter. So imagine for youself if you really care that much

[Brett]

Motherfuckers need their eyes pulled out. I feel sorry for the pit bulls too, pit bulls can actually be great dogs when raised and trained well, clearly these have been raised to be vicous, no doubt for dog fighting - which in my opinion is abuse. If they find those guys I hope they are hit hard. But they won't be.

[Brett]

In typical bloody Kiwi fashion, once again everybody turns a blind eye to things that go on in neighbourhoods that they live in, until an event gets front page headlines.

Dog fighting is big business in New Zealand. It's well organised, well patronised, well supported and lucrative. There's a good statistical probability that Kiwi Biker members are involved.

But, like family violence, people just shut the fuck up until some poor innocent is maimed or killed.

In this latest case of some poor old dog being stolen and used as live bait for trained killer dogs, I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that this isn't the first time that the owners of these animals have done such a thing.

I predict that it is unlikely that the SPCA's reward will produce any tangible evidence that leads to a conviction.

I also predict that there are Kiwi Biker members who will defend the owning of dangerous dog breeds, on the basis that it's not the dog's fault.

Then I wish they would come forward so that i know who to put on ignore and have no respect for.

But i must say, that coming from a family that has had a lot of involvement in dog handling including training dogs for the military and police, that the term 'dangerous dog breeds' is more emotive than factual. That said, unfortuanately, certain breeds are like knives, there is nothing wrong with them and they do have perfectly good uses and can be used for good but in the wrong hands they can also be used for many corrupt activities.
FYI - The Staffordshire Bull Terrier ranks number 10 out of all dogs for 'best family dog' and best dog to have around children because of their natural instinct to be gentle with children and to be very tolerant of them. Unfortuanately with pitties, they have been bred for aggression that it has actually changed the psychological make up of the dog, it was once a very reliable and trust worthy family dog. Now, one needs to be very careful with training that people and dog aggression traits are picked up and dealt with early on.
Personally, I own a Boxer.

[Brett]

The thing that turns my stomach the most is animal cruelty followed closely by maori scum. So this news got me really pissed off.

I hope they catch them so they can all get a $25 fine.

Revenge is the best justice folks.

Sometimes I have to agree. If it was my dog used, I would literally be locked, loaded withthe 30.06 and hunting their mother forkin' arses down, because you are right; when a murder gets the sort of pathetic sentence handed down that the NZ justice system has come to see as acceptable, then what hope is there for any form or real punishment for these monkeys?

[Spyke]

And to think they call themselves New Zealanders. Hang till the death I say.

[Hitcher]

pit bulls can actually be great dogs when raised and trained well

Hmmm. But what is their purpose really other than to say, "I am a mean motherfucker because I've got big motherfucking dogs?" Cocker Spaniels are great dogs too, but I've never heard of "bad" ones tearing the faces off small children or ripping other dogs to shreds.

[MsKABC]

Hmmm. But what is their purpose really other than to say, "I am a mean motherfucker because I've got big motherfucking dogs?"

Yes, pitbulls (and fila brasilias, dogo argentinas etc) can be sociable dogs, but as you say, it's all about an image and what they were originally bred for. This country is certainly not a better place for having these dogs. You can't say the same for breeds that serve us like shepherds, border collies, huntaways, labradors and companion dogs like poodles, cocker spaniels and the like.

Cocker Spaniels are great dogs too, but I've never heard of "bad" ones tearing the faces off small children or ripping other dogs to shreds.

I wouldn't go as far as that, but it must be noted that even cocker spaniels can cause nasty injuries in a child. A friend's baby sustained a nasty bite on his face from their Pug dog. Labradors are quite inclined to bite children too.

[Number One]

I wouldn't go as far as that, but it must be noted that even cocker spaniels can cause nasty injuries in a child. A friend's baby sustained a nasty bite on his face from their Pug dog. Labradors are quite inclined to bite children too.

YUP and for this reason our latest addition will NOT be left with SullyOne on her own - kids can be soo unpredictable and it isn't always the dogs fault if it tries to tell a kid FUCK OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE!

Funny thing is our boy is scared of our pup when she gets excited as she is teething she is quite mouthy - he has already developing a healthy respect for her jaws!

[MsKABC]

YUP and for this reason our latest addition will NOT be left with SullyOne on her own - kids can be soo unpredictable and it isn't always the dogs fault if it tries to tell a kid FUCK OFF AND LEAVE ME ALONE!

Yep, my boy is never unsupervised around our dogs either.

Funny thing is our boy is scared of our pup when she gets excited as she is teething she is quite mouthy - he has already developing a healthy respect for her jaws!

To stop the puppy mouthing/biting thing: when she goes to do it, shove your fingers down her gob. It will be an unpleasant enough sensation that she will stop giving you the opportunity to do it You will probably need a few different people to do it, but it usually works a treat.