Veitch sentenced

[Grahameeboy]

I would say that forgiving isnt sadly lacking - there are always people out there willing to forgive regardless of how terrible the crime.

Perhaps a little less forgiveness and a little more accountability for actions would make the world a better place.

Accountability is not a NZ phsycy thing though is it...forgiveness does help heal though...generally by making people accountable it creates less rather than more...

[ManDownUnder]

Nobody ever, EVER plays a part in having their partner kick them in the back while they lie on the ground.

Respectfully disagree. That's like saying no-one ever ever plays a part in having their partner shoot them, hit them, swear at them or any of a vast number of reactions.

That in no way excuses those actions, but I'm certain everyone on this forum has been provoked into saying or doing something they know they shouldn't have, and ordinarily wouldn't have if the circumstances were different.

It shouldn't happen - but it does happen.

I would say that forgiving isnt sadly lacking - there are always people out there willing to forgive regardless of how terrible the crime.

It's the willingness and ability to understand that I find sadly lacking.

[rosie631]

Why people assume that veitchs partner did not play a part in him snapping is beyond me.

Yeah, she probably did something really heinous like having another guy look at her. That was the crime I committed that caused me ex to 'snap' and bash me. That was the reason he gave to himself anyway. Easier than facing his alcohol addiction.

[Grahameeboy]

respectfully disagree. That's like saying no-one ever ever plays a part in having their partner shoot them, hit them, swear at them or any of a vast number of reactions.

That in no way excuses those actions, but i'm certain everyone on this forum has been provoked into saying or doing something they know they shouldn't have, and ordinarily wouldn't have if thwe circusmatances were different.

It shouldn't happen - but it does happen.


It's the willingness and ability to understandand that i find sadly lacking.

+2..........................

[MsKABC]

Respectfully disagree. That's like saying no-one ever ever plays a part in having their partner shoot them, hit them, swear at them or any of a vast number of reactions.

I'm not saying she didn't provoke him, but you can never justify kicking or hitting someone, no matter what they say or do, save perhaps striking the first blow. Yes, everybody is inclined to snap when provoked, but most reasonable people manage to stop short of physical violence.

[ManDownUnder]

I'm not saying she didn't provoke him, but you can never justify kicking or hitting someone, no matter what they say or do, save perhaps striking the first blow. Yes, everybody is inclined to snap when provoked, but most reasonable people manage to stop short of physical violence.

Agreed. My problem is that in the heat of the moment, rational and analytical thought simply goes out the window. Each party is trying to score points in whatever way they can, women often win verbally and strategically (out thinking the other and winning the argument 2 steps ahead of the guy who is arguing the point before him right now).

So the guy sees red, and responds agressively. Testosterone is a "wonderful" drug. Check out it's links to aggression, and consider the average man produces 40 to 60 times the level of it that the average woman does.

Again - no excuses for what happened... simply seeking to understand what may have contributed.

[Usarka]

I'm not saying she didn't provoke him, but you can never justify kicking or hitting someone, no matter what they say or do, save perhaps striking the first blow. Yes, everybody is inclined to snap when provoked, but most reasonable people manage to stop short of physical violence.

My following comment is not related to this case, but to the statement above & mdu's reply. It is rather easy to purposefully get the right person wound up enough to react violently especially if you can read the persons personality type or know specific pressure points.

I'm sure I could go out on the street and get myself sconned by a "normal" stranger.

There are ways the brain works that can bypass rationality (the old fight or flight syndrome). If the amygdala (sp?) takes over from the cortex then rationality is basically out of the window.

[SPman]

...... but prison might not be the best for rehabilitation,......

Prison...
Rehabilitation......



The man (and I use that word in a gender sense only) is a control freak. (I know a few...) - he probably became physical when other methods of control weren't working (ie, the woman was stroppy!)

Everything that has happened, is somebody else's fault.

He will grovel enough to make himself look chastened in the eyes of those whose opinion might matter to him. (prospective employers, etc)

Then it'll be back to control as usual - I pity any woman involved with him.

Little scumbag!

[PrincessBandit]

Forgiveness is like respect. It needs to be earned.

Disagree with you there. Forgiveness is a gift.

[Hitcher]

Forgiveness is a gift.

So does that mean you give it to just anybody? What about that lovely Mr Hitler and that delightful character William Bell?

[PrincessBandit]

Surely forgiveness is something that is deserved rather than something that should be expected?

Your bible requires repentence before forgiveness can be granted.

Ah, that is God's forgiveness you are talking about. If people required repentance from each other before forgiveness was dispensed there would be sweet f a of it around. Human beings are capable of forgiveness even in the face of the unrepentant. Don't mix that with the requirement of repentance for the forgiveness of sins and salvation.....

[PrincessBandit]

So does that mean you give it to just anybody? What about that lovely Mr Hitler and that delightful character William Bell?

Certainly not - I'm not saying for one moment that it is an expected right of anyones. But it can be offered by a victim if they choose to do so, whether the perpetrator wants it or not.

[rosie631]

Certainly not - I'm not saying for one moment that it is an expected right of anyones. But it can be offered by a victim if they choose to do so, whether the perpetrator wants it or not.

Exactly, offered by the victim. That's whose forgiveness he needs, not anyone elses. But since he has no remorse I don't think he gives a flying fuck if she forgives him or not.

[HenryDorsetCase]

allegedly he has married mega-money (this Zoe Halford broad)

so why does he even want to "rehabilitate" his "reputation"? Oh yeah, he's an attention whore. Hateful, just hateful. And I am hate full.

[PrincessBandit]

Exactly, offered by the victim. That's whose forgiveness he needs, not anyone elses. But since he has no remorse I don't think he gives a flying fuck if she forgives him or not.

I'm not commenting on this particular case in this instance, I was referring to the tangent issue of forgiveness, which was raised by others.

And I am not going to get caught into an argument of whether or not she would offer him forgiveness, whether he "deserves" forgiveness, or any other such speculation. Quite frankly it appears to me that they are both media savvy people who, bringing out my cynical side here, both know how to work and play the "public profile" card.

Trial is by the courts, not the media or a forum such as kiwibiker. Seeing the wolves and vultures squabbling over the juicy entrails of a celebrity carcass is my cue to exit.