Tyrewarmer ban.

**Sully60** · 18th April 2009, 15:37

Originally Posted by sinfull

Mehhhh i don't know if id be keen !

Chur bro! Can you get them in 30 profile?

**steveyb** · 18th April 2009, 18:40

By the way, no tyre manufacturers use natural rubber (latex) any more.
All tyres are manufactured with styrene butadiene polymers and other synthetic polymers.

**aff-man** · 18th April 2009, 19:01

Tyre development has reached the stage where actually race slicks need tyre warmers where as road tyres don't.

There is quite a bit difference between a performance "race" road tyre and a slick. I used to run racetechs (yeh I know) and had a k1 front and a k2 rear and then went on the track with a k0 front and a k1 rear. I thought shit they were suuuuuuper sticky and inspired confidence but then ran slicks (admitidly without warmers) and so though they were garbage... for the first 3 laps then as they got up to heat I couldn't believe the amount of extra grip (especially when the bike was well over).

So yeh I get what you're saying but I still think there is a massive deference between a super performance road/race tyre and a race slick that you need to be able to go 100% from the word go (especially in NZ where the races can be 6 lappers and so are basically a sprint to the finish)

**scuzeme** · 18th April 2009, 20:41

Originally Posted by neil_cb125t

.....there are tyres out there that don't require warmers - they are wets.
ride on those when its not wet enough - they last 6 laps max on my 400!! then your stepping out everywhere - screwing your tyre in the process. costing you MORE $$$$.....

Bang on, you simply carnt get a tyre that has 100% optimum effectivenes in all conditions, in other words you will either get a good cold tyre, (compounds designed for wets at this point of time) but these will fail or be severly degraded when the tyre overheats or you can have a great super grippy compound that just isnt gunna cut it for the first couple of laps in a race situation, the technology needed to create a rubber polymer would need to come straight out of a sci fi novel, it would literally need to transmute itself to become a tyre for all seasons....not gunna happen....i too will put a hat aside covered in butter and jam, if i am proved incorrect

**hayd3n** · 18th April 2009, 20:52

dual compound

**Robert Taylor** · 18th April 2009, 22:47

Well all Ive got to say about it is lets ban shock warmers as well, anything that costs money because the world is full of dirty filthy capitalists. Lets make the world boring to a template of what Erich Honecker was achieving in East Germany..............................

**scuzeme** · 18th April 2009, 22:59

Originally Posted by hayd3n

dual compound

Dual compound tyres usually have a harder wearing compound towards the centre of the tyre and softer grippier compounds towards the outer edge.
Even "dual compound" tyres need to be warmed up to the correct operating temperature for optimal performance can be achieved.
If they could have come up with a compound that is near 100% optimal throughout the entire temperature range they would have, they would be making millions right now.

They havent becuase the technology isnt there.

**GSVR** · 19th April 2009, 07:08

Originally Posted by Robert Taylor

Well all Ive got to say about it is lets ban shock warmers as well, anything that costs money because the world is full of dirty filthy capitalists. Lets make the world boring to a template of what Erich Honecker was achieving in East Germany..............................

Do they use shock warmers in F1?

Freudian Slip . I'm sure you meant tyrewarmers but it does indicate whats on your mind I guess.

The threads gone off topic a bit and no ones attemped to answer my original questions.

I'm all for tyrewarmers for certain classes. But banning them in others and the use of a street rubber (sorry Steve very loose wording) control tyre would add diversity.

Motoracing should appeal to capitalists/socialists/communists etc alike. I would rather be in pit full of socialists as I'm sure the atmoshere would be alot more pleasant. I think you might as well as a pit full of capitalists would be really hard work. Capitalism only seems to work when theres non-capitalists about.

Possibly Bridgestone is upset because their product is always covered up by tyre blankets so they are losing all that advertising. Capitalists. Who knows.

**NZsarge** · 19th April 2009, 07:10

Get to the track Gary, don't forget to take your tyre warmers... Good day for it.

**R1madness** · 19th April 2009, 09:03

Tyre warmers are for sissys. We never had them until a few years ago and to be honest turn 1 had much less carnage then than it does now..... People think that if they have warmers on they can go 100% from the flag drop. Its just not true, you still need to give the tires a little time to "tack up" after sitting on the grid and start line...
But if you really want a set buy them off me and i will give you a good price..

**Sully60** · 19th April 2009, 11:36

Originally Posted by GSVR

Do they use shock warmers in F1?

Freudian Slip . I'm sure you meant tyrewarmers but it does indicate whats on your mind I guess.

He meant what he typed, I don't think Robert's the kind of guy to make Freudian slips.

**Yow Ling** · 19th April 2009, 13:39

Originally Posted by GSVR

Motoracing should appeal to capitalists/socialists/communists etc alike. I would rather be in pit full of socialists as I'm sure the atmoshere would be alot more pleasant. I think you might as well as a pit full of capitalists would be really hard work. Capitalism only seems to work when theres non-capitalists about.

Possibly Bridgestone is upset because their product is always covered up by tyre blankets so they are losing all that advertising. Capitalists. Who knows.

Problem is the pit is full of people that are expected to win, you seem to think its all about getting along. ITS ALL ABOUT WINNING. tahts it nothing else. Racing isnt about developing techy little gizmos to make you feel better , its about selling bikes, what wins on Sunday sells on Monday .

**Robert Taylor** · 19th April 2009, 13:56

Originally Posted by Sully60

He meant what he typed, I don't think Robert's the kind of guy to make Freudian slips.

Thanks for that, I meant exactly what I typed. Its all about chemistry and physics, at the moment there is no technology for making a race specific tyre that works at all temperatures. Similarly a shock that operates best at 60 degrees celsius is going to be lethargic on a cold frosty Taupo morning when its starting temperature is at ambient.
And heck why do we have multigrade oils? Its also very fortunate that we have capitalism to fund ongoing development.