New 600 rules...

[CHOPPA]

The idea RE the cams is to keep the cost down for the PRIVATEERS mate

So build a new bike LESS the 2K+ Required for cams

So how is that hard on the "TRUE" privateers mate?

The post states that even bikes that already have cams in the NZSBK class that have had megabucks spent on them to make them run with those cams have to change back to standard cams. This makes it much more expensive when a privateer has shelled out for a competitive bike that already has them.

Fair enough for privateer class but for NZSBK class they should leave bikes that have already been built alone and just have 09 bikes restricted and 08 bikes that are still current in 09

[CHOPPA]

BTW everyone! It seems everyone complains about our MNZ ceo and MNZ in general for not replying to emails etc.

I have written 2 emails to MNZ in the past 6 months, 1 to the Road Race Commissioner (no response) and the latest one i directed straight to the CEO. I had an indepth response back the very next morning! Much appreciated

[Rcktfsh]

The post states that even bikes that already have cams in the NZSBK class that have had megabucks spent on them to make them run with those cams have to change back to standard cams. This makes it much more expensive when a privateer has shelled out for a competitive bike that already has them.

Fair enough for privateer class but for NZSBK class they should leave bikes that have already been built alone and just have 09 bikes restricted and 08 bikes that are still current in 09

If this was the case why would anyone build new 09 bikes, if anything it would result in further stagnation of the class.

[CHOPPA]

If this was the case why would anyone build new 09 bikes, if anything it would result in further stagnation of the class.

Because the 09 bikes should be better with an extra 2 years of development up there sleeve.... Its not like everyone is gonna run there 07 bikes for the next decade just cause your aloud cams

[Robert Taylor]

BTW everyone! It seems everyone complains about our MNZ ceo and MNZ in general for not replying to emails etc.

I have written 2 emails to MNZ in the past 6 months, 1 to the Road Race Commissioner (no response) and the latest one i directed straight to the CEO. I had an indepth response back the very next morning! Much appreciated

Chop, youre of course very much entitled to draw your own conclusions. In defence of Paul Stewart he was putting in over 1000 hours per annum UNPAID on top of a fulltime very demanding day job. And taking a LOT of heat. It may have been missed, who knows, but you couldnt hope to meet a nicer guy who played everything straight.

[CHOPPA]

Chop, youre of course very much entitled to draw your own conclusions. In defence of Paul Stewart he was putting in over 1000 hours per annum UNPAID on top of a fulltime very demanding day job. And taking a LOT of heat. It may have been missed, who knows, but you couldnt hope to meet a nicer guy who played everything straight.

Oh for sure, didnt really mean to bag PS, just more showing a bit of appreciation for PP to taking the time to reply and knowing that my emails dont just go straight to the junk mail!

[The Chow]

Chop, youre of course very much entitled to draw your own conclusions. In defence of Paul Stewart he was putting in over 1000 hours per annum UNPAID on top of a fulltime very demanding day job. And taking a LOT of heat. It may have been missed, who knows, but you couldnt hope to meet a nicer guy who played everything straight.

Spot on Robert

A full time paid employee like the CEO should answer straight away , As I have said before have had dealings with all parties i know who i would trust completely. Also as I have said previously the series was a team effort and Paul Stewart would have the backing of everyone of those people.

Remember it takes people to run the series and meetings for riders , so the riders can race.

Interestingly I was listerning to to the NZ Rugby guys today and they have very similar issues to motorcycling , no crowds , hard to get money and so on on.So if someone has a majic bullet to fix the motorcycle series , my suggestion is tell the Rugby union as they need help to and they pay more.

[k14]

Interestingly I was listerning to to the NZ Rugby guys today and they have very similar issues to motorcycling , no crowds , hard to get money and so on on.So if someone has a majic bullet to fix the motorcycle series , my suggestion is tell the Rugby union as they need help to and they pay more.

Well that could quite be the answer there. With the advent of the internet and all the tv coverage we get now days, people are happier to sit on their bums at home and watch it on tv than go to the trouble of having to go down to the track/stadium and watch it live. Don't know how you get around that??

[slowpoke]

The post states that even bikes that already have cams in the NZSBK class that have had megabucks spent on them to make them run with those cams have to change back to standard cams. This makes it much more expensive when a privateer has shelled out for a competitive bike that already has them.

Fair enough for privateer class but for NZSBK class they should leave bikes that have already been built alone and just have 09 bikes restricted and 08 bikes that are still current in 09

Cams are only part of the problem Choppa, the whole damn cylinder head is gonna have to be replaced to remove the offending machined orifices and Yoshi valves etc. Do the later model gixxers still have the adjustable swing arm pivot and steering head inserts fitted by RCM like the earlier ones? Then there's that luvverly carbon Yoshi tri-oval that's gotta go in the bin.......

I'm in the same boat mate, prolly worse. I only bought my bike after corresponding with Paul Stewart who (promptly) assurred me that earlier bikes ('07 and backwards) could remain as is (old modified rules), thereby competing on a reasonably equal footing with more advanced less modified new bikes. He was well aware of the need to keep older bikes eligible thereby maintaining grid sizes but it looks like others have perverted his original intent. Thinking long term I bought the highest spec' bike I could afford (still a bargain, much less than the cost of a new road thou'), aiming to learn as I went and contemplating Nat's events down the track. As it stands I've learnt a bit alright, but Nats events are now well and truly off the event horizon and my bike has been instantly devalued.

I don't have a problem with changing the rules, but to make a change of this magnitude, with no transitional period or equivalency allowance for not quite up to the minute bikes is extremely short sighted.

Haha, it's gonna funny as fuck when the hottest bikes you see are all in Clubman's.....

[CHOPPA]

Cams are only part of the problem Choppa, the whole damn cylinder head is gonna have to be replaced to remove the offending machined orifices and Yoshi valves etc. Do the later model gixxers still have the adjustable swing arm pivot and steering head inserts fitted by RCM like the earlier ones? Then there's that luvverly carbon Yoshi tri-oval that's gotta go in the bin.......

I'm in the same boat mate, prolly worse. I only bought my bike after corresponding with Paul Stewart who (promptly) assurred me that earlier bikes ('07 and backwards) could remain as is (old modified rules), thereby competing on a reasonably equal footing with more advanced less modified new bikes. He was well aware of the need to keep older bikes eligible thereby maintaining grid sizes but it looks like others have perverted his original intent. Thinking long term I bought the highest spec' bike I could afford (still a bargain, much less than the cost of a new road thou'), aiming to learn as I went and contemplating Nat's events down the track. As it stands I've learnt a bit alright, but Nats events are now well and truly off the event horizon and my bike has been instantly devalued.

I don't have a problem with changing the rules, but to make a change of this magnitude, with no transitional period or equivalency allowance for not quite up to the minute bikes is extremely short sighted.

Haha, it's gonna funny as fuck when the hottest bikes you see are all in Clubman's.....

Yeah im surprised that your the only one that sees my point! I emailed MNZ and there gonna take our points into consideration....

[Shaun P]

There is a way more simple solution and thats to make an open class with no restrictions on engine work, tyres or cc's so that highly modded 600's and 1000's + can compete, thats a format the have gone back to in formula-xtreme in oz. Bring your desmodici if ya want, but be prepared to be beaten by a 600 if ya not on your game!!

[White trash]

Cams are only part of the problem Choppa, the whole damn cylinder head is gonna have to be replaced to remove the offending machined orifices and Yoshi valves etc. Do the later model gixxers still have the adjustable swing arm pivot and steering head inserts fitted by RCM like the earlier ones? Then there's that luvverly carbon Yoshi tri-oval that's gotta go in the bin.......

I'm in the same boat mate, prolly worse. I only bought my bike after corresponding with Paul Stewart who (promptly) assurred me that earlier bikes ('07 and backwards) could remain as is (old modified rules), thereby competing on a reasonably equal footing with more advanced less modified new bikes. He was well aware of the need to keep older bikes eligible thereby maintaining grid sizes but it looks like others have perverted his original intent. Thinking long term I bought the highest spec' bike I could afford (still a bargain, much less than the cost of a new road thou'), aiming to learn as I went and contemplating Nat's events down the track. As it stands I've learnt a bit alright, but Nats events are now well and truly off the event horizon and my bike has been instantly devalued.

I don't have a problem with changing the rules, but to make a change of this magnitude, with no transitional period or equivalency allowance for not quite up to the minute bikes is extremely short sighted.

Haha, it's gonna funny as fuck when the hottest bikes you see are all in Clubman's.....

This is only going to be a problem for you IF you choose to ride in the Nationals anyway mate.

All of the clubs (to my knowledge) follow Formula 1 format for their respective championships and not Production Superbike rules anyway. Same goes for Street meetings.

You're sound as a pound my friend.

[slowpoke]

This is only going to be a problem for you IF you choose to ride in the Nationals anyway mate.

All of the clubs (to my knowledge) follow Formula 1 format for their respective championships and not Production Superbike rules anyway. Same goes for Street meetings.

You're sound as a pound my friend.

Yup, it just shits me that were I to give my missus a bit too much lip and suffer a serious head injury, then miraculously emerge from the ensuing coma with Mair-type racing skills that I would have the option of being able to enter the Nat's, but that's not gonna be the case.

So where would I find a copy of the F1 reg's? I couldn't see anything on the VMCC or MNZ websites.

Well, I've just got a good price for a kidney, so I'm off to shop at www.SBKsurplus.com to pick up the 16.5" rims, Ten Kate engine, WSBK front end, carbon self supporting monococque etc. I might be 10sec off the pace on the track but I'm gonna look fuggin' fast in the pits.....

[White trash]

Ummmmm, you not seen a Mair race mate? We're the ones constantly waking up in hospital wards mate, your wife wont have to lift a finger.

[GSVR]

So where would I find a copy of the F1 reg's? I couldn't see anything on the VMCC or MNZ websites.

I used to ask the same question until a realized the answer.

The F1 regs are so simple you don't need to write them down. All you need to do is attend a few meetings where they apply these rules and observe.Note theres very little bitching about bike legality at Vic meetings and when someone does its sorted out by senior people pretty dam smartly.

To many technicalities and rules stiffle any sport except for the elitist ones.
ie. Americas Cup which team NZ isn't going to compete in I hear.