MNZ elections?

[fossil]

On contacting was told several days ago they would be out on 15th of this month ,
Ours havnt arrived yet but have been rung and told some in club have.
It appears but will wait to really comment till i see them that initial impressions are -
1 - Creative accounting again
2- Why has Brian Davidsons name been left out of list of officials for second year.
3- Castrol actually paid serious money for Road racing and have the smallest thank you -is it because road race commisioner arranged the sponsorship himself and pp couldnt get a percentage for himself like other years
4-lots of comment about changing the dealing with disputes and code of conduct violations really not waving a brief case at a rider and common sense appeals to me
5-Evidently neither the President nor the Ceo could bring themselves to acknowledge Paul Stewarts contribution to our sport
6-everyone look at who spent what in expenses
and mind boggling but will relie on seeing it myself ,did we really spend 300k+
on staff salaries .

Dont waste your vote,if we want change and accountability in the North Island vote for Carmen Davidson for the offroad member(yes road race license holders can vote for off road) and Jim Tuckerman for President,
In the South Island Kevin Goddard is elected unopposed for On Road and vote Jim Tuckerman for President. The Off road people are just as pissed with whats been going on.Check it out on www.holeshot.co.nz
ps; 3 managers for 3 subordinate staff,who are they kidding?

[scracha]

I know for a fact that excerpts from my site as well as this site have been copied and sent to MNZ legal team to try and shut them down.

The fact that MNZ has a "legal team" speaks volumes. Don't these idiots know that for every site they shut down, another 10 pop up due to the free advertising.

I still think the best course of action is to ditch MNZ. Sometimes things get too broken to fix.

[916Senna]

I was more than a little bit bemused by the whole mail out pack...yes I got 2 as well, (imagine if the local TA did that for a by-election)

1. What century do these folks live in...in the minutes of the 08 meeting calling each other Mr or Mrs so and so, jeez get with the 80's. oh that's right its 2009.

2. Additionally it is easy to see why the dirt people get a bigger plug; they have a representative commissioner for, Motorcross, Cross Country, Enduro, and ATV, all essentially the same bikes (off-road!), Road boys/girls get 1 so do speedway and trials. There is no category for road sidecar so why ATV?
Also as an avid Motard racer we have no representation, and no national championship title, even though there are separate rules for our bikes and an there is even an official FIM world championship, go figure.

3. Whilst I agree there needs to be a way to make appeals and disciplinary actions, the NZ court system is not the correct forum. We need to look at other codes like football, rugby etc the courts are the last resort in any sport, if every hearing went to court we could eventually find ourselves being charged with causing an accident and paying for the other guys bike damage! As this was discussed at the 2008 meeting looking at setting up a disciplinary committee i don't recall seeing it being done, it will no doubt be discussed again this year and the next....

[scott411]

ok senna ill answer some of your questions,

ATV's have their own comissioner since they run there own events, they do not run with other forms that much, where as sidecars run with road race events so it makes sense to have the comissioner together,

Cross country/ enduro and mx are very removed from each other in terms of events, and the number of riders of off road is alot bigger than road race,

if you have a look at the number of liceinced events, mx had 271 by its self, road race had 71 and buckets had 29, yet the off road riders only get the same representation as the road guys, (2 baord members each)

the reason why their is no supermotard NZ champs is because no one has applied to run it, the rules are there ready to go, supermotar come under the road race comissioner, and they tried to appoint a supermotard commissiner but no one would do it,

[suzuki mama]

dodgy,sounds like you may have a personal axe to grind,
Bill grice is as well as being CEO
of Suzuki is the current head of the importers Association . for me reading this endorsement from a man who it is apparrent knows Jim way better than you do says it all, he has the support of an Industry run by some very astute Buisnessmen,
No one has ever claimed that JT is a saint ,in fact talking to someone today who has worked for him was told he can be real hard arsed when a situation calls for it ,but get down on your luck or need a hand and hes first in the queue to give help.
Get over your problem dodgy Jim to many of us has proved when the going gets tough hes there,
4 votes went his way today

ps one thing he doesnt have is a woeful record, unlike some! debacle at wanganui would this be when you didnt get your own way perhaps or when the CEO wanted to to take a racing incident and turn it into another nightmare and was told rumour has it by jt he worked for wanganui ,it was a racing incident was dealt with on the day and the CEO had no juristiction AS HE CLEARLY ACCORDING TO OUR CONSTITUTION DOES NOT

ps

[916Senna]

fair call but is it not the job of MNZ to organize the national championship and appoint a club to run each event of the series.

On another note....can we get rid of that F-wit Phil Dark, he does nothing for motor sport commentary. (I realize he is not part of MNZ)

[scott411]

simple fact is that no club applied for it, so it was not allocated, with out someone to run it they are hand tied,

on the motard issue i here there will be a proper motrad track (with dirt) built in the carpark at taupo racetrack,

[suzuki mama]

fair call but is it not the job of MNZ to organize the national championship and appoint a club to run each event of the series.

On another note....can we get rid of that F-wit Phil Dark, he does nothing for motor sport commentary. (I realize he is not part of MNZ)

WELL OBVIOUSLY sky , Prime tv1 tv3 and the V8S DISAGREE WITH YOU
Phil is one of the best . .>liked and most repected commentators around but they only go on audience ratings and returns to sponsers from commentaries so what would they know, a dam sight more than you i think nothing personal here just an observation
Great news thought the rumour mill has it turbo tonsils Neil Ritchie is paeroas new commentator

[916Senna]

What would i know i am just a critical consumer of motorsport, I would rather watch it without his constant cliches and mixed metaphors, if i could turn the sound off I would but then i wouldn't hear the engines and tyres.

[The Chow]

WELL OBVIOUSLY sky , Prime tv1 tv3 and the V8S DISAGREE WITH YOU
Phil is one of the best . .>liked and most repected commentators around but they only go on audience ratings and returns to sponsers from commentaries so what would they know, a dam sight more than you i think nothing personal here just an observation
Great news thought the rumour mill has it turbo tonsils Neil Ritchie is paeroas new commentator

Great news about Neil getting the job of commentator , the other guy is just a bitter and twisted individual , who needs to get a life.

As for JT , i have experienced all sides of his personality and still regard him as a great friend. Several years ago I had a few issues in my life , who was there to give me a job and helping hand? , JT. Sure he can be out spoken to the point of sometimes appearing rude , but rest assured under that gruff exterior their is a straight shooter , who won't take any shit and won't back down when hard issues arise. The man has experience no question and it is time for it to be used to help motorcycling in this country.

[Dodgy]

Well, I do not have an axe to grind with JT, but perhaps consider this...

Someone in the industry has raised their hand and endorsed a person to be the future CEO. Fair enough. Did the existing CEO receive a celebrity endorsement as well? - most likely - and everybody (sweeping statement) seems to want him out.

Is replacing one 'hard arsed' personality with another 'hard arsed' personality whom at the moment is saying the things you like the sound of - a good idea?

Do you want a change agent or similar behaviours? Hard arsed and blinkered CEOs are great when you agree with their tactics, but it sounds to me the main concerns (amongst others) about MNZ leadership at the moment seem to be:

Lack of democratic process
Lack of transparency

Would it not be better to ask oneself if the current woes are the result of a CEO and/or the result of an organisation that requires a cultural change?

To be an effective CEO requires quite a bit more than some industry endorsement. How do you want MNZ to be run? How would you define the idea culture of the organisation? What sort of vision and skill sets would a future CEO require inorder to deliver on this?

[The Chow]

WELL OBVIOUSLY sky , Prime tv1 tv3 and the V8S DISAGREE WITH YOU
Phil is one of the best . .>liked and most repected commentators around but they only go on audience ratings and returns to sponsers from commentaries so what would they know, a dam sight more than you i think nothing personal here just an observation
Great news thought the rumour mill has it turbo tonsils Neil Ritchie is paeroas new commentator

Re: Phil Dark
If you know of anyone else , please tell me. Having done TV and race track commentary over the last season myself, it is not easy I can tell you that's for sure and boy do you get abuse if you name someone or something wrong?, and by the way Phil also has another commentator when the TV coverage is shown who happens to be MNZ's CEO. So ask him how easy it is.

[The Chow]

Well, I do not have an axe to grind with JT, but perhaps consider this...

Someone in the industry has raised their hand and endorsed a person to be the future CEO. Fair enough. Did the existing CEO receive a celebrity endorsement as well? - most likely - and everybody (sweeping statement) seems to want him out.

Is replacing one 'hard arsed' personality with another 'hard arsed' personality whom at the moment is saying the things you like the sound of - a good idea?

Do you want a change agent or similar behaviours? Hard arsed and blinkered CEOs are great when you agree with their tactics, but it sounds to me the main concerns (amongst others) about MNZ leadership at the moment seem to be:

Lack of democratic process
Lack of transparency

Would it not be better to ask oneself if the current woes are the result of a CEO and/or the result of an organisation that requires a cultural change?

To be an effective CEO requires quite a bit more than some industry endorsement. How do you want MNZ to be run? How would you define the idea culture of the organisation? What sort of vision and skill sets would a future CEO require inorder to deliver on this?

The position JT is after is for President(unpaid position) not CEO (paid Postion).

[suzuki mama]

Dodgy , if you dont have an axe to grind im madonna!!

Where have you been !the Ceo is a paid position and id lay money there would be no celebrity endorsement for the current encumbent,bet that causes some mirth in the board room at Suzuki!

READ OTHER THREADS ON THIS FORUM OR GO TO HOLESHOT,
jt has posted his reasons for standing and surprise he wants a more democratic process more openess and transparency and to adhere to the constitution ,wouldnt that be a change !

Before you shoot your self in the foot even further give him a ring or email him and you might just be surprised ,or you can go on in your blinkered fashion ,but i think you will find that really good reasons are behind the moves for change

[Robert Taylor]

Dodgy , if you dont have an axe to grind im madonna!!

Where have you been !the Ceo is a paid position and id lay money there would be no celebrity endorsement for the current encumbent,bet that causes some mirth in the board room at Suzuki!

READ OTHER THREADS ON THIS FORUM OR GO TO HOLESHOT,
jt has posted his reasons for standing and surprise he wants a more democratic process more openess and transparency and to adhere to the constitution ,wouldnt that be a change !

Before you shoot your self in the foot even further give him a ring or email him and you might just be surprised ,or you can go on in your blinkered fashion ,but i think you will find that really good reasons are behind the moves for change

Lets not also forget that JT as President would in no way be subservient to the CEO, as appears to be the case with the present incumbent. JT rocks!