Porkgate

[cave weta]

more on this disgusting practice at 7pm on TV1 - Close up

For those that diddnt see it. TV1 program, Sunday had an exposay where Mike King who was the pork industry's front man for several years, broke into a caged Pig facility with cameras. he was disgusted and horrified that the industry had been so missrepresented to him. He had -( as have many) been told that these crates were only used for farrowing.
Truth is pigs spend their entire life in a cage that is 600mm wide and 2 metres long.


You hard assed meat eaters out there will say toughen up and pull your pansy head in.
cos you are a tough meat eating kiwi male. But inside you know that this is wrong- surely?


What if you treated a dog or a horse or a cat or even a goat this way?

You would be arrested and the public would be horrified that you could do such a thing!

[Quasievil]

You hard assed meat eater glorifying wankers out there will say toughen up.
But what if you treated a dog or a horse or a cat or even a goat this way?

Dont eat Dog Horse or Cat or even Goat, if we did they would be in cages to.

Media Hype crapola if you ask me show a couple of sad pigs and the pork industry is fucked stupid fucking Media,also stop humanizing Pigs they are in cages for a reason agro carnivorous little fuckers.

Free Ranging Pigs dont work unless you loose like 80% of the demand.

Mike King should be charged with breaking and entering and made to shovel pig shit for a year.

[Maha]

With the recent cracklings emerging from within the New Zealand Pork Industry, does/would it change your way of thinking when it comes to buying Pork Products?
I for one, think the whole thing is fucking disgusting, they way the Pigs are treated for up to five years, I also never knew this was going on.
Free range pork??..would you buy it instead of caged Pork knowing that the price is almost (in some cases) double that of caged pork (the pork most of us has been eating forever)
Will you now start reading the words on the back of bacon packets?

When purchasing food items, it comes down to price in some cases, on Saturday, we gave up a pork leg roast and bought a smaller rolled pork piece instead...governed by the price, but im tight like that.

[Patch]

saw the the two industry spokesmen on Breakfast.

They say at least 50% of pig farming is free range - so cage farming is not the normal practice (bullshit) so its acceptable. We are no better than those European arseholes.

Seems the dollar means more to the "farmer" than the welfare of his animals - which in my book does not make him a farmer but something else . . .

Even prisoners are treated better than this

Good to see Mr. King has a backbone.

Dont eat Dog Horse or Cat or even Goat, if we did they would be in cages to.

bullshit

[cave weta]

Dont eat Dog Horse or Cat or even Goat, if we did they would be in cages to.

Media Hype crapola if you ask me show a couple of sad pigs and the pork industry is fucked stupid fucking Media,also stop humanizing Pigs they are in cages for a reason agro carnivorous little fuckers.

Free Ranging Pigs dont work unless you loose like 80% of the demand.

Mike King should be charged with breaking and entering and made to shovel pig shit for a year.

See!
and some nice lady gave birth to this scum.

[Hitcher]

The Close Up story could hardly be described as balanced.

Many commercial pig farmers in New Zealand use farrowing stalls. Pigs are carnivorous cannibals. The frames are designed to stop sows either rolling on top of and crushing their young or eating them. The cages minimise piglet death and enhance their wellbeing. In many cases the sow only stays in the cage until the piglets are weaned.

As for the squealing, anybody who has ever been into a commercial piggery generally knows that pigs often associate the presence of humans with food. Once one starts squealing, they all start. It's deafening and only stops once the last pig starts eating.

Chewing at the bars demonstrating psychological trauma or distress? Pigs are inveterate gnawrers. The will chew at most things they encounter. Chewing causes salivation (foaming). If you think that's bad you should see the extent of foam at mating time.

That said, there are some commercial pig farmers whose animal husbandry practices leave much to be desired. That does not unilaterally make farrowing stalls a bad thing.

SAFE is run by political vegans. Any of their claims need to be taken with several grains of salt as their aim is to sensationalise.

As for current affairs programmes, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUOD...eature=related

[awayatc]

evrybody has a voice
anybody can make a difference
we all can put our money where our mouths are.......

[Madness]

It's no worse than Chickens. I'm not condoning it but it shouldn't have come as a suprise to the people that claim that it did.

A guy I worked with left one of the most recession-resistant industries around to work in Smallgoods. Swine Flu had him shitting himself about his job, now this.

[boomer]

See!
and some nice lady gave birth to this scum.

thats a bit harsh aint it..??! all becuase he has a different view to you, you abuse him??! You dont hear me calling u a goat loving hick.. do you????!!!


My old fella spends all his time locked up in my boxer shorts.. u dont hear me crying out.. FREE HIM FREE HIM.. do u>>!!

[Hitcher]

Meat is murder. Tasty, delicious murder.

[Trudes]

To me it's like chicken and eggs, I've bought free range eggs ever since I went to a "battery" chicken farm and ended up in tears over the way the poor things were treated. The problem I find with free range chicken however is that the cuts are limited, so unless you buy a whole chicken it's bloody hard to get a couple of breast pieces.
As for Pork, if I could be sure it WAS free range I'd probably buy it, however short of going to an organics store or something, how can you be sure? I have looked at packets of bacon to make sure that I'm buying 100% NZ Pork (not made with pork from overseas & NZ) but I still couldn't find anywhere where it says if it was free range or not.
Hopefully all this will bring about clearer labelling so people can make informed choices if they wish to (or should I say, if they can afford to) and with any luck make even a few people think a little harder about where their meat (meat products and eggs) comes from and the conditions that animal lived in.
I just received a reply from one of John Key's letter writers today about the protest letter I sent him regarding the proposed reinstatement of live sheep exportation..... blah blah blah, a whole heap of bull-shit as always, however the squeaky wheel gets the oil, and like this, if people stop buying caged Pork products, cage eggs and chicken etc then things will change, until then they probably won't much. I guess we can be thankful at least that NZ has pretty good animal welfare legislation unlike many other supposedly "civilised" countries.
Rant over.

[Quasievil]

See!
and some nice lady gave birth to this scum.

oooo sorry to upset your treehug group meeting but welcome to reality.

Pigs are in Farrows for a short period in their life generally 4 weeks for fatting up before the cull
have you ever tried free ranging large numbers of Pigs ???? its impossible mortality rate is huge and they fuck everything including water lines troughs the lot

For the record, I dont eat Pigs do you?

[cave weta]

thats a bit harsh aint it..??! all becuase he has a different view to you, you abuse him??! You dont hear me calling u a goat loving hick.. do you????!!!


My old fella spends all his time locked up in my boxer shorts.. u dont hear me crying out.. FREE HIM FREE HIM.. do u>>!!

what is your definition of scum? - mine is something that floats around on the surface has no depth and is not truely representitive of what realy lies beneath

Edit; I havent been a meat eater for about 10 years. reasons are my health is better, Im not supporting cruelty to animals and I save money.

Occasionaly I still eat some meat - but only if it is all that is available and Im really hungry.
I dont enjoy it at all anymore. veges really are more interesting when cooked by someone who knows what they are doing.

[Creeping Death]

The Close Up story could hardly be described as balanced.

Many commercial pig farmers in New Zealand use farrowing stalls. Pigs are carnivorous cannibals. The frames are designed to stop sows either rolling on top of and crushing their young or eating them. The cages minimise piglet death and enhance their wellbeing. In many cases the sow only stays in the cage until the piglets are weaned.

As for the squealing, anybody who has ever been into a commercial piggery generally knows that pigs often associate the presence of humans with food. Once one starts squealing, they all start. It's deafening and only stops once the last pig starts eating.

Chewing at the bars demonstrating psychological trauma or distress? Pigs are inveterate gnawrers. The will chew at most things they encounter. Chewing causes salivation (foaming). If you think that's bad you should see the extent of foam at mating time.

That said, there are some commercial pig farmers whose animal husbandry practices leave much to be desired. That does not unilaterally make farrowing stalls a bad thing.

SAFE is run by political vegans. Any of their claims need to be taken with several grains of salt as their aim is to sensationalise.

As for current affairs programmes, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIUOD...eature=related

Good read Hitcher and I like the similarities with the Vid Clip.

Cheers.

[James Deuce]

Why can't I buy a nice ham and cheese sandwich?

Decent thick ham, lovely Swiss cheese, and some nice fresh bread.

Why can I buy Ham and mayo (yuk), or cheese and onion destroyed by large globs of mayo (double yuk) sandwich? I like neither.

Ham and cheese. Maybe with a nice chutney or dijon mustard.

Ham and cheese you lunkheads.

For a suposedly farm oriented economy a lot of NZ residents are remarkably divorced from the necessities of farming animals for food.

For those of you who won't eat veal, it simply means that the bull calf will be shot (or stunned), burned, and pushed in a hole (Or maybe ground up into meal to be fed back to their mums). That's called "waste", especially in a world filled with poverty. Only the rich can afford to be that discriminating about their food.

Remember, you're being delicate about the cornerstone of your economy. Primary produce.