Child support?

[James Deuce]

He's fucked. Best bet is to leave the country and go start a new life somewhere else.

I've two mates who've had to do that. IRD was taking more than one of them was earning and no amount of pleading from his employer would fix it, and the other was having 76% of his pay removed, again a bungle that IRD wouldn't fix.

In both cases the ex had an affair and booted the bloke out. In my limited experience, I wouldn't be trying to fight IRD as they have the power to fabricate a "reasonable" response based on "rules" we aren't privy to.

[yungatart]

My son pays huge amounts of Child Support for kids that he doesn't see, as their mother makes life way too difficult and the kids end up wearing it.
Most unfair, but then the IRD is not known for its fairness...despite their slogan.
At times, he has so little left, he goes to his Nana's for tea, cos he can't afford food.
He has asked for reviews and never been successful.

[lb99]

if you try for a review due to hardship, one of the hoops you will have to jump through is to provide a rundown of your icome and expenses, WHICH YOUR EX WILL GET TO SEE, as she has to help "them" come up with a realistic figure........

how is this for a shit deal,
when I split with my ex(she fucked off when I ran out of money), she had exhausted all possible avenues of credit under my name.
one day she picked a fight, then upped and left(I wasnt actually too worried) but then the debt collectors rolled up, and rolled up, and rolled up

so I had ten years of summery installments to make, after having to sell absolutely everything(bailiffs even wanted to take my old bed ffs), on top of a crippiling cs bill(because I also had to repay 50k to various places), after going to court to try for some money from her, all she got lumped with was some parking tickets to pay

I have started again, while repaying this debt, and bringing up a family the right way, we all had to suffer while she lived in reletive luxury swanning off to aus whenever she wants ect...while we eat 2 min noodles for a week.

then to top it off, I finally knocked over the last of the debt last week, only have cs payments now.
SHE ROCKS UP IN A 25k SV6 COMMODORE
boy says the wrote a check for it.

I am beyond caring, but my wife is livid, she's absolutely spewing after the shit we have been dragged though.

quite funny though, my boy(12) told his stepmum(my wife) that they only brought a commie because we have a falcon (its the rivallrey thing how pathetic) but her falcon is cooler "coz sometimes you do burnouts, aye" and he's allowed to eat in it

so there, child support is not so bad, its a good idea, but the way it is policed is sometimes quite callous and insensitive.....

[lb99]

oh, by the way, ird cs are waaaaaay better to deal with than 10 years ago, back then if you had an issue as a paying dad they would atomatically assume that you were trying to do the bunk and hit you harder

[ynot slow]

Seriously women wonder why guys go and shoot their kids and themselves,because the dad is denied access,but has to pay support.Seems if I can't see them you can't,friggen sad that happens.

I look at the money paid was my second mortgage,as sure the kids are better with their mum(girls),andno judge would give kids to the dad,assuming both are capable,but mums will get kids 90% of time,but I was able to see them,not the same though when you tuck them into bed and have to go home,I liked the beauty of seeing them asleep,but missed the stupid little things they do.

[alanzs]

He is more than willing to pay a fair amount and doesnt want to put the boy through the trauma of a custody battle. He is not trying to avoid his responsibilities but how can it be fair that it is income based?

He has three other children to a new marriage and they will also now suffer hugely.

It isn't fair at all. I suspect that there was never any intention to make it "fair." While I have nothing to base this on, I tend to believe that there is a part of society that thinks if you divorce your spouse (especially if you are male), you are bad, and therefore, you will pay, fair or not. IMHO...

[James Deuce]

It isn't fair at all. I suspect that there was never any intention to make it "fair." While I have nothing to base this on, I tend to believe that there is a part of society that thinks if you divorce your spouse (especially if you are male), you are bad, and therefore, you will pay, fair or not. IMHO...

No you're completely wrong there, it's entirely about what gender you are.

[Lias]

Its quicker and easier to kill the ex and the kids. Sure you might get caught, but hey you get a free vacation in a luxury hotel/prison with bigscreen tv's, playstations, 3 square meals a day etc, Financially you'll probably be better off than having paid 18 years of child support if you sold all your posessions and invested the money whilst inside, even with no income in jail.

[Quasievil]

mmmmm yup admin review as above SHE gets to see all your expenses thats private in my view but its a open book but ONE WAY, not fair.

its a hard road and a long one to endure, you get poor and they get rich, the Custodial parents situation is irrelevant they could be millionaires but the non custodial parent still pays a fortune and you cannot fight it.

Best thing for him is to be employed as a self employed person and get as many deductions as possible to reduce the yearly income level this helps makes the payments lower

The other thing (prob not poss) is to try and get s agreement between him and her for an agreed amount based on factors like real expenses, time spent with each parent etc, this is a dream tho I guess in this case, this can be a better system if available.

If you can get 40% of the nights as the custodian Im sure the payments reduce significantly also this maybe an option

Good luck with it it will be hard on him and it WILL limit his ability to improve his lot for years to come, current system is floored unfair and it stinks of PC bullshit and is typical of the MAN HATING agendas put through by hairy arm pitted lesbian politicians of years gone by ooooooooooooo Im getting angry lol

[allycatz]

IRD will always assess you at the max first off...they work on the theory thats how they get peoples attention...go onto the IRD website and theres a self assessment section where you can put in no dependants etc and it may show a different figure to pay..theres several grounds for re assessment too. I get pissed off cos I pay CS but kids are continually being with held from me

[fire eyes]

Im in two situations .. the Australian Child Support collects money off my ex-husband .. and I pay child support for my eldest daughter who lives in NZ .. now regarding ex-hubby .. I guess I am a nice person as I have gone into a voluntary private arrangment (where both me and hubby decide ona figure and he pays me directly) because AU IRDs assessment for two kids was 650 a month for the kids but NZ IRD take 450 a fortnight .. exchange plus admin costs or something? .. so as a means to ease his financial predicament I opted for the voluntary payments. I pay child support for my eldest daughter in NZ (she lives with my mother) .. I have not had an issue paying my income assessed payments, be nice if it wasn't so much but I just do it as shes my daughter. My eldest comes over every school holidays. Personal commitment is not taken into account when they assess.

[Usarka]

Tell HIM to sue for custody of the child. He goes on the benefit... she pays him... from hers...

He probably has too much of a concscience, self esteem and honesty to bludge, so will pay with his hard earned $$$.

[davebullet]

He has three other children to a new marriage and they will also now suffer hugely.

On that basis alone he can apply for a review.

If he can prove he is supporting a new family with other dependents, then he should be able to reduce payments for his previous child.

The other way to look at it, is hopefully his ex puts the money towards good use for his child. I am lucky in that my ex does exactly that. She is a great mum.

[MadDuck]

I dont have kids and have no understanding of what most of the guys go through until I see it.

Thanks for your responses. I will pass them on. Just not damn fair this system!

[cowboyz]

If you are a guy you are fucked. End of story.

I say if a relationship breaks up and some bitch wants to take the car then she should pay for that car and all its running expenses. Same for the children. Children should not be allowed to be used as barginning chips. I pay more for 1 child who doesnt live with us than I do to support the 2 kids that I have at home.