VFR800 custom cans?

[Paul_C]

Hey there,

Any VFR owners (Gen 6/RC46) out there with a pair of Scorpion Cans? I'm interested in getting some because 1) I don't have $1600 - 1700 to spend on a set of Leo Vince or Staintune cans and 2) 'the guy in the shop' said that there wasn't _that_ much difference between brands of exhausts and 3) again, I'm pretty poor. Is it worth saving my money for a more expensive/well known brand of exhaust?

I've seen quite a few youtubes and posts here to do with just gutting the stock cans, but i'm not sure if I'm that brave... If you do have gutted cans have you run into any warrant type problems?

[vifferman]

If you do have gutted cans have you run into any warrant type problems?

I'd say you are likely to, if (a) they are too loud, and/or (b) they show any signs of having been modified.

One mod I've seen recently on the Mrkn forum VFR Discussion is fitting R1 cans. They're not likely to sound much different, but if you could get some at a reasonable price and gut those, you'd end up with something that looked and sounded a bit different. If you were going to consider that, then you could use virtually any pair of cans (except maybe baked bean cans )
Another Gen6 owner shortened his cans, but a reasonable level of expertise would be required for that, and if at any stage it failed a WOF or police check, it'd cost more to buy some OEM replacements than aftermarket ones.
On the VFRd site there's also several examples of different ways to modify the stock cans to make them louder. If I were you, I'd rather save my $$ for something that can be converted back to stock fairly readily.

Don't do what some guy who lived near me did: he fitted a single aftermarket muffler in low-mount position. It sounded great (nice tone, but not too loud), but looked terrible, because there was two gaping spaces under his rear cowl.

Scorpions are nice sounding cans, and look well made. FWIW, I have a Staintune on my VFR, and while it's VERY well made, and looks great, the sound is a wee bit higher-pitched than say a Remus or Micron, due to the smaller internal volume of the can. Whoever gave you advice is right: there's little or no difference between different aftermarket cans in terms of performance. If you fitted new cans, a PCIII, and a freer-flowing airfilter, the most you could expect to gain is around 5 hp, for an outlay of more than $2k.

[Hitcher]

The Internet is your friend!

http://www.fuelexhausts.com/Results.cfm?scndctgry_ID=18

James Deuce has recently procured one of these for his Z750. It appears to meet his usual high standards for componentry.

[AllanB]

There was a set of cans for your ride on Trademe recently. Staintune I think $550 ish or something silly. Unsure if they sold.

As far as design goes they all pretty much use a straight through core surrounded by packing and in most cases a noise suppressor in the end to shut them up a bit.

As far as quality goes – they can (ha ha) be worlds apart – the Leo Vince, yoshi etc are quality units – check out the fit and quality of the welds. Having said that there are some units that are well priced and appear well made.

Look up www.Twobrothersracing.com if you want a good read about cans and what goes into them. And Youtube if you want to see what’s inside one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Env9XU5JSGM

[vifferman]

Here you go: a pair of VFR800 cans on TardMe for < $300.
Chop them up, or get someone to modify them.

[slofox]

The best price I found for Two Brothers cans was from motoxparts.co.nz. http://www.motoxparts.co.nz/

Way cheaper than anyone else. And I got mine on Saturday morning after ordering mid Friday afternoon. Great service.

[Paul_C]

Scorpions are nice sounding cans, and look well made. FWIW, I have a Staintune on my VFR, and while it's VERY well made, and looks great, the sound is a wee bit higher-pitched than say a Remus or Micron, due to the smaller internal volume of the can. Whoever gave you advice is right: there's little or no difference between different aftermarket cans in terms of performance. If you fitted new cans, a PCIII, and a freer-flowing airfilter, the most you could expect to gain is around 5 hp, for an outlay of more than $2k.

Good news then. I did look at the Staintune ones, however the quote I rx'd was still up around $1660. Interesting about the power thing, I had planned to get a PCIII, Filter and Remap but after reading that perhaps I wont..

The Internet is your friend!

http://www.fuelexhausts.com/Results.cfm?scndctgry_ID=18

James Deuce has recently procured one of these for his Z750. It appears to meet his usual high standards for componentry.

I was nearly reaching for the credit card then and there, but those are for the single mount non-VTEC VFR. The VTEC ones are more expensive, and sadly, all sold out.

Here you go: a pair of VFR800 cans on TardMe for < $300.
Chop them up, or get someone to modify them.

I actually saw those the other day... I think I might go for the scorpions. They sound fairly good on Youtube and should offer a bit of a weight improvement over the stock cans, I was just wondering if anyone actually had them and could provide comment. I would like removable baffles though, just in case I want to get all anti-social...

[AllanB]

Also try Neptune and Cycleworks in Wellington - both can (ha ha) make or have pipes for your bike.

[Paul_C]

Good plan. Will give them a ring tomorrow.

[Paul_C]

Actually, went ahead with the Scorpions (see attached photos). They look much better in real life than what they do in the youtube videos. Unfortunately the bike is in mid-48,000km service so until the engine gets put back together I won't be able to hear them. Hopefully it's tomorrow!

...Now all I have to do is pay for them (and the service). Bye bye money

I'll link to a video once I get a chance.

[Paul_C]

Cans are now on. They look good and sound great (although I wouldn't object to a few more dB) and somehow the little numbers on the speedo seem to go a little faster than before (but maybe that's just in my head).

Definitely a good investment.

[vifferman]

They look pretty good, Paul.
I think you made the right choice to buy some, rather than gut the OEM ones.
What did they and the service cost? Do they have removable restrictors?
As for the "a few more dB" - my Satantune has two different restrictors (bought one and modified it) and with the stock one it's probably as quiet as the OEM muffler, but the modified one sounds OK without attracting unwanted attention. With no restrictor, it tends to make me ride a bit more aggressively, and after a few days the sound REALLY gets on my nerves.
I tend to use the modified 'spud' all the time, apart from when I'm a shitty mood (no restrictor) or go for a WOF (quiet spud).

[Paul_C]

It's definitely louder than the OEM one. It cost $888 ex GST plus $8 freight, however the guys at City Honda give me 10% off parts so the total was $800 (ex GST). Fitting was part of the 48,000km service so it was just absorbed into that (and for this service I got 10% off labour - way to go City Honda Palmie North!)

It doesn't have a removable baffle so it's louder than stock, but not loud enough to cause warrant issues. I would prefer the option of having an 'anti-social mode' however I'm happy with it as it doesn't incur any extra drone at 100km or motorway speeds that would get annoying over long distances and is suitably rumbly around town

[Hitcher]

Fitting under-seat aftermarket exhausts on some bikes is comparatively straightforward. Not so a Shiver, bless it.

[geoffm]

Quickchik has gutted cans on her VFR - not noticably loud and sounds good. By gutted, I believe if you knocked it would have a hollow, echo sound...
One advantage - from the outside you wouldn't know they weren't stock. She ccould give you the name of the person who did it.
Geoff