Calling Paul Pav and Sandra Perry

[Maarty]

I think it best to apologize to you Maarty. I called you a "midget" behind your back last year. Wont happen again.

In seriousness though, given the sheer amount of comments they have to wade through, and the time it would take to formulate a response to each post, at the same time defending themselves from the thorough lynching only KB can deliver, I wouldn't expect to see a reply too soon. They are, after all, busy people.

That being said, I have forwarded a couple of my concerns to PPs attention today in the hope he will see fit to respond in a timely manner. That I DO expect as that is his job.

Jimmy Mair

SOOOOOO! that was you ha!
I am just vertically slim really.

I too expect to geat a reply from Paul at some point and I am sure they are busy. He has ALWAYS replied to my emails in the past. I just hope he comes on for a chat!

M

[The Stranger:Me]

Actually Stranger your point though definitely valid does raise a question
Why would a person with valid issue with a bike club or organisation feel they need to remain anonymous?
I genuinely believe this is the root question

I disagree. The content and intent is far more important than the person. To dismiss a sound rational idea simply because you don't know who voiced it would seem to me to be petty.

However, need - as it relates to the bike club. Very little.
-Some may fear reprisal in one form or another.
-Some don't have the stomach for a fight or can't be bothered with it.
Does this make their ideas any less valid?

However, because of the forum in which the discussion is being held it may well be desirous to maintain some anonymity.

For example
-we are both aware of at least 2 people whom have had insurance claims denied because of postings on KB, one case had very serious repercussions. The other on the face of it was just as a result of someone else shit stirring.

Personally I can think of many reasons, however I won't bore you, it's not my fight, I'm not a member, just a casual observer seeing what would appear to be a storm in a teacup (the anonymity issue that is).

[suzuki mama]

Its not the anonymity i struggle with, its the fact that every offical from MNZ has read these threads & been invited to respond on numerous occasions, yet not one has fronted. I truly dont know what to make of that. Im sure that an open Q&A would go a long way to solving many issues that have arisen.
I also struggle with the Taupo Road Race Spectacular being described as a glorified club race & the commentator at Paeroa being threatened over comments he made, by an MNZ official i hold in reasonably high regard.

Sidecar Bob
As some one who on several occaisons heard said commentator on the nations radio network , take potshots at the Road race commission because he wasnt on it , and tell the nation and every one else he could via letters how much better a job he would make of things im just surprised no one thought of it before Paeroa, given that the same commentator lost his position as National Road race commentator for bagging the series sponser its not surprising sanity has prevailed and another much more professional commentator has i understand been approached ,

However certain people within mnz have used a very select version of what went on and some very scurrilous rumours were set in place ,
I to am disappointed we have yet to see Either Sandra or Paul make themselves available to answer questions.
My first one would be,how does each one of them feel they would be best able to restore confidence to the members ,followed by
What % of the Sparc money our sport receives is spent on salaries and how do we plan to increase sponsership of actual cash not contra deals

[sidecar bob]

Sidecar Bob
As some one who on several occaisons heard said commentator on the nations radio network , take potshots at the Road race commission because he wasnt on it , and tell the nation and every one else he could via letters how much better a job he would make of things im just surprised no one thought of it before Paeroa, given that the same commentator lost his position as National Road race commentator for bagging the series sponser its not surprising sanity has prevailed and another much more professional commentator has i understand been approached ,

However certain people within mnz have used a very select version of what went on and some very scurrilous rumours were set in place ,
I to am disappointed we have yet to see Either Sandra or Paul make themselves available to answer questions.
My first one would be,how does each one of them feel they would be best able to restore confidence to the members ,followed by
What % of the Sparc money our sport receives is spent on salaries and how do we plan to increase sponsership of actual cash not contra deals

And that is the very reason that "the other side" need a representative on here. To separate the chaff from the wheat.
I thought i had a reliable source, obviously not.

[FROSTY:Me]

However, need - as it relates to the bike club. Very little.
-Some may fear reprisal in one form or another.
-Some don't have the stomach for a fight or can't be bothered with it.
Does this make their ideas any less valid?

Validity of ideas actually I wasn't placing that under scrutiny.
The question I'm asking is why do people FEEL (please note this is emphasis on their feeling/opinion not nessasarily reality) that they would be ignored, riduculed or given a hard time if they pressed their ideas unmasked so to speak.
Have the lines of communication actually broken down ?
If so from what end?--a phone can be hung up from either end after all.

[sidecar bob]

Validity of ideas actually I wasn't placing that under scrutiny.
The question I'm asking is why do people FEEL (please note this is emphasis on their feeling/opinion not nessasarily reality) that they would be ignored, riduculed or given a hard time if they pressed their ideas unmasked so to speak.
Have the lines of communication actually broken down ?
If so from what end?--a phone can be hung up from either end after all.

This thread alone, amply demonstrates the breakdown in communication between MNZ & competitors, a fact that greatly saddens me.
Its all very well for the C.E.O's brother to describe his brother's financial & physical dedication to motorcycling over a number of years in another thread, & while the level of success varys widely between competitors, the level of committment has been & is still similar for a number of us, so i feel equally strongly about the situation.
I would like nothing more than for the C.E.O (whom i am familiar with) Jimmy T, etc etc to come on here & make friends with the competitors & break this wall of silence that has crept in.
Honestly, at the moment it reminds me of the feeling that crept in towards the end of my marriage.
Please Guys, can we get some communication going??

[scrivy]

Honestly, at the moment it reminds me of the feeling that crept in towards the end of my marriage.

WTF!!!!?????
They got 'bits' on the side too bro???

[sidecar bob]

WTF!!!!?????
They got 'bits' on the side too bro???

Ow shuddup bro.

[Maarty]

I think it best to apologize to you Maarty. I called you a "midget" behind your back last year. Wont happen again.

In seriousness though, given the sheer amount of comments they have to wade through, and the time it would take to formulate a response to each post, at the same time defending themselves from the thorough lynching only KB can deliver, I wouldn't expect to see a reply too soon. They are, after all, busy people.

That being said, I have forwarded a couple of my concerns to PPs attention today in the hope he will see fit to respond in a timely manner. That I DO expect as that is his job.

Jimmy Mair

Jimmy, like you, I too contacted Paul directly and he rang me today! I was upfront about what I wanted to know and Paul was upfront (as he could be without letting me in on sensitive stuff) and forthright with his replys.
While the replys I received may or may not have completely satisfied my curiosity they have given me a broader picture of the event as from Pauls prospective. Paul explained to me his reasons for his not replying to these forum threads and I appreciate his reasoning. Without being spicific, and also without Paul being spicific, he explained a few things to me that I did not know.
Now, how I process this information and how it will effect my voting is something that I will keep to myself, but, Paul did contact me, he did anwser my questions and he was polite, he listened to my concerns, he shared his views openly and without influience or pressure and he was accomodating and open to my views.
Wether it was as a result of the pressure from these forums or not I don't know and care even less.
He did say he had also received your mail too!
All I have to say now is "good on you Paul!"
Maybe if everyone actually contacted Pav directly, and without malise or attitude, then there would be less agro from posters.

Finally, if you do contact Pav directly, do so by stating your name first!!!!

Maarty

[cowpoos]

Jimmy T, etc etc to come on here & make friends with the competitors

He's already on here... BJT666 I think is his user name??