To Robert Taylor and other MNZ bashers

[Mark Pav]

I have observed recent writings on this site and it is with some regret that I feel compelled to write here. This probably would have been better served as a personal message, but as Robert Taylor has chosen a public forum to write his opinions in, I feel that I must likewise reply in such a forum. Firstly let’s put all our cards on the table. I am the older brother of the current CEO of MNZ so I do not claim impartiality. But it seems that such a virtue is in short supply around here anyway, so let us continue in spite of it…… My brother will probably be annoyed that I have taken this course of action but unlike others who have both declared, and undeclared interests in the recent discussions, I have at least had the courtesy to disclose my identity. I am thus moved to address Robert as he has the courtesy to identify himself. The anonymous phantoms in the mist deserve no such respect.

I am saddened by the fact that I have come to lose respect for someone that I have admired as a very capable expert in the disciplines of motorcycle engineering, particularly suspension. Credit where it is due though, Robert has not chosen to hide behind the anonymity that the internet can provide. He has stuck his head up and voiced opinions that have become increasingly personal in nature and he has taken to playing the man and not the ball. He has apparently embarked on a campaign of personal vendetta and in doing so has lowered his standing in the eyes of many people. The CEO is facing a crisis in participation in a sport that he has been associated with and loved for many years. The quality of entries at the sharp end is not the issue, the quantity is. Competitor numbers in National Champs have fallen from the 2006 level of 35 entrants in the 600’s down to 26 entries in 2009 . The big capacity class has fallen from 23 to 15 entries in the same period. Back in 2005 there were 30 entries in the big capacity class. The CEO has seen fit to initiate responses to this perceived crisis. If he stood idly by and let the numbers in Road Racing’s premiere classes decline even further, the same hounds that bark and whine that he is trying to do something now would be howling for his blood, crying that he stood by and let it die…..
Paul’s job is to help grow motorcycling in New Zealand. MNZ is an organising body, not a branch of the trade. He has been told repeatedly by competitors that costs are too high, and in an effort to reduce these he has made proposals to reduce the cost of running a competitive machine. Robert Taylor has attempted to hijack the discussions about change and convert them into an argument about motorcycle suspension and chassis dynamics, an area I am sure that he is comfortable in discussing, but in doing so the debate is distracted from where it really needs to be. Robert has become an outspoken critic of the CEO. A small chorus of the disaffected have generalised it into derision of all MNZ staff. Among this group are people who have probably been disciplined for assaulting stewards and making potentially criminally libellous statements about MNZ staff. Robert claims that the CEO is acting in a dictatorial and single minded way, whilst he himself has proceeded to behave in precisely such a manner, closing his mind to all possibility of change to class rules that alter the current market for suspension products and expertise. He and others have expanded this reaction into a critique of all aspects of MNZ’s operations , even down to pathetic dribblings about car park spaces…. I doubt that their $120.00 would buy much in any specialist race suspension shop, yet for the small sum of their annual subscription ( only a part of MNZ funding ), these anonymous critics expect that they should control every last detail of the administration of a complex organisation. Perhaps Robert might be able to inform them about the subtleties of the provincial real estate market, but I imagine that the car park might have actually risen in value since it was purchased thus becoming an appreciating asset. Do not mistake outspokenness for correctness.

Roberts shock and alarm at the voluntary departure of Paul Stewart seems to have played a part in generating much of his animosity. It is sad to see attempts to turn Paul Stewart’s departure into some sort of Jihadi martyrdom as these detract from his achievements.

If you want to play the man Robert, consider the following. In developing a personal attack on PP you need to realise that you are attacking a man who spent every moment of his life between 1974 and 1998 breathing racing motorcycles. He spent every cent of disposable income for 24 years on his passion for racing motorcycles, risking his life and limbs , and sustaining serious injuries for the beautiful madness that is Road Racing. If I am not mistaken, you have always been a bench racer , risking at most, a pinched thumb from an errant shock spring….. Conversely your involvement in motorcycle racing over a similar period of time has mostly derived you income in some way or another, So don’t talk lightly about the love of motorcycle racing around here mate. Whilst enjoying a good income at present, Paul left behind corporate sector jobs that paid multiples of what he is probably on now, so he’s not in it for the money.

So now Robert hopes that a new President of MNZ might enable him to take the fight to the CEO...this will of course, immediately solve the entire issue !!( enter appropriate Tui beer advert slogan here )

Change needs to come to Road Racing in NZ. In my opinion, alignment with Australian Superstock rules would enable an affordable and competitive race series that would enable a two way traffic of riders and machines . If you think that would make boring racing just ask any of the riders and spectators who have seen it in Australia.

So before you dismiss me as a sycophantic sibling Robert, remember its not too late to change yourself and possibly your point of view. There might even be a place for you, God knows you are intelligent enough to adapt…….
As for your various political ramblings, I think somebody should contact Labour Party headquarters and let them know that they are losing the support of small provincial entrepreneurial capitalists. I’m sure they would be “shocked” to find that they are losing the battle for what must surely have been their traditional support base……

[Scouse]

Well said that Man

[scott411]

well said Mark, very well said

[Robert Taylor]

I have observed recent writings on this site and it is with some regret that I feel compelled to write here. This probably would have been better served as a personal message, but as Robert Taylor has chosen a public forum to write his opinions in, I feel that I must likewise reply in such a forum. Firstly let’s put all our cards on the table. I am the older brother of the current CEO of MNZ so I do not claim impartiality. But it seems that such a virtue is in short supply around here anyway, so let us continue in spite of it…… My brother will probably be annoyed that I have taken this course of action but unlike others who have both declared, and undeclared interests in the recent discussions, I have at least had the courtesy to disclose my identity. I am thus moved to address Robert as he has the courtesy to identify himself. The anonymous phantoms in the mist deserve no such respect.

I am saddened by the fact that I have come to lose respect for someone that I have admired as a very capable expert in the disciplines of motorcycle engineering, particularly suspension. Credit where it is due though, Robert has not chosen to hide behind the anonymity that the internet can provide. He has stuck his head up and voiced opinions that have become increasingly personal in nature and he has taken to playing the man and not the ball. He has apparently embarked on a campaign of personal vendetta and in doing so has lowered his standing in the eyes of many people. The CEO is facing a crisis in participation in a sport that he has been associated with and loved for many years. The quality of entries at the sharp end is not the issue, the quantity is. Competitor numbers in National Champs have fallen from the 2006 level of 35 entrants in the 600’s down to 26 entries in 2009 . The big capacity class has fallen from 23 to 15 entries in the same period. Back in 2005 there were 30 entries in the big capacity class. The CEO has seen fit to initiate responses to this perceived crisis. If he stood idly by and let the numbers in Road Racing’s premiere classes decline even further, the same hounds that bark and whine that he is trying to do something now would be howling for his blood, crying that he stood by and let it die…..
Paul’s job is to help grow motorcycling in New Zealand. MNZ is an organising body, not a branch of the trade. He has been told repeatedly by competitors that costs are too high, and in an effort to reduce these he has made proposals to reduce the cost of running a competitive machine. Robert Taylor has attempted to hijack the discussions about change and convert them into an argument about motorcycle suspension and chassis dynamics, an area I am sure that he is comfortable in discussing, but in doing so the debate is distracted from where it really needs to be. Robert has become an outspoken critic of the CEO. A small chorus of the disaffected have generalised it into derision of all MNZ staff. Among this group are people who have probably been disciplined for assaulting stewards and making potentially criminally libellous statements about MNZ staff. Robert claims that the CEO is acting in a dictatorial and single minded way, whilst he himself has proceeded to behave in precisely such a manner, closing his mind to all possibility of change to class rules that alter the current market for suspension products and expertise. He and others have expanded this reaction into a critique of all aspects of MNZ’s operations , even down to pathetic dribblings about car park spaces…. I doubt that their $120.00 would buy much in any specialist race suspension shop, yet for the small sum of their annual subscription ( only a part of MNZ funding ), these anonymous critics expect that they should control every last detail of the administration of a complex organisation. Perhaps Robert might be able to inform them about the subtleties of the provincial real estate market, but I imagine that the car park might have actually risen in value since it was purchased thus becoming an appreciating asset. Do not mistake outspokenness for correctness.

Roberts shock and alarm at the voluntary departure of Paul Stewart seems to have played a part in generating much of his animosity. It is sad to see attempts to turn Paul Stewart’s departure into some sort of Jihadi martyrdom as these detract from his achievements.

If you want to play the man Robert, consider the following. In developing a personal attack on PP you need to realise that you are attacking a man who spent every moment of his life between 1974 and 1998 breathing racing motorcycles. He spent every cent of disposable income for 24 years on his passion for racing motorcycles, risking his life and limbs , and sustaining serious injuries for the beautiful madness that is Road Racing. If I am not mistaken, you have always been a bench racer , risking at most, a pinched thumb from an errant shock spring….. Conversely your involvement in motorcycle racing over a similar period of time has mostly derived you income in some way or another, So don’t talk lightly about the love of motorcycle racing around here mate. Whilst enjoying a good income at present, Paul left behind corporate sector jobs that paid multiples of what he is probably on now, so he’s not in it for the money.

So now Robert hopes that a new President of MNZ might enable him to take the fight to the CEO...this will of course, immediately solve the entire issue !!( enter appropriate Tui beer advert slogan here )

Change needs to come to Road Racing in NZ. In my opinion, alignment with Australian Superstock rules would enable an affordable and competitive race series that would enable a two way traffic of riders and machines . If you think that would make boring racing just ask any of the riders and spectators who have seen it in Australia.

So before you dismiss me as a sycophantic sibling Robert, remember its not too late to change yourself and possibly your point of view. There might even be a place for you, God knows you are intelligent enough to adapt…….
As for your various political ramblings, I think somebody should contact Labour Party headquarters and let them know that they are losing the support of small provincial entrepreneurial capitalists. I’m sure they would be “shocked” to find that they are losing the battle for what must surely have been their traditional support base……

I have only skimmed over this and you will note that I have never questioned your brothers motivation in trying to grow the sport, just the way he is going about it. As for personal attacks heck Ive got a long way to go given what Ive evidenced from other parties, and as you say not always putting their name forward. If it has come across that way ( as personal ) then I do apologise as many people who dont know me personally may misread a little what I am driving at.
If Jim Tuckerman wins the presidency ( and I think that could be possible ) he may well restore a culture of democracy and consultation. If Paul can work with that then all good.
What I do resent is that technical advice borne of long experience is not given as much credence as it should. For these final two remarks I offer no apology.

[Shaun]

I have observed recent writings on this site and it is with some regret that I feel compelled to write here. This probably would have been better served as a personal message, but as Robert Taylor has chosen a public forum to write his opinions in, I feel that I must likewise reply in such a forum. Firstly let’s put all our cards on the table. I am the older brother of the current CEO of MNZ so I do not claim impartiality. But it seems that such a virtue is in short supply around here anyway, so let us continue in spite of it…… My brother will probably be annoyed that I have taken this course of action but unlike others who have both declared, and undeclared interests in the recent discussions, I have at least had the courtesy to disclose my identity. I am thus moved to address Robert as he has the courtesy to identify himself. The anonymous phantoms in the mist deserve no such respect.

I am saddened by the fact that I have come to lose respect for someone that I have admired as a very capable expert in the disciplines of motorcycle engineering, particularly suspension. Credit where it is due though, Robert has not chosen to hide behind the anonymity that the internet can provide. He has stuck his head up and voiced opinions that have become increasingly personal in nature and he has taken to playing the man and not the ball. He has apparently embarked on a campaign of personal vendetta and in doing so has lowered his standing in the eyes of many people. The CEO is facing a crisis in participation in a sport that he has been associated with and loved for many years. The quality of entries at the sharp end is not the issue, the quantity is. Competitor numbers in National Champs have fallen from the 2006 level of 35 entrants in the 600’s down to 26 entries in 2009 . The big capacity class has fallen from 23 to 15 entries in the same period. Back in 2005 there were 30 entries in the big capacity class. The CEO has seen fit to initiate responses to this perceived crisis. If he stood idly by and let the numbers in Road Racing’s premiere classes decline even further, the same hounds that bark and whine that he is trying to do something now would be howling for his blood, crying that he stood by and let it die…..
Paul’s job is to help grow motorcycling in New Zealand. MNZ is an organising body, not a branch of the trade. He has been told repeatedly by competitors that costs are too high, and in an effort to reduce these he has made proposals to reduce the cost of running a competitive machine. Robert Taylor has attempted to hijack the discussions about change and convert them into an argument about motorcycle suspension and chassis dynamics, an area I am sure that he is comfortable in discussing, but in doing so the debate is distracted from where it really needs to be. Robert has become an outspoken critic of the CEO. A small chorus of the disaffected have generalised it into derision of all MNZ staff. Among this group are people who have probably been disciplined for assaulting stewards and making potentially criminally libellous statements about MNZ staff. Robert claims that the CEO is acting in a dictatorial and single minded way, whilst he himself has proceeded to behave in precisely such a manner, closing his mind to all possibility of change to class rules that alter the current market for suspension products and expertise. He and others have expanded this reaction into a critique of all aspects of MNZ’s operations , even down to pathetic dribblings about car park spaces…. I doubt that their $120.00 would buy much in any specialist race suspension shop, yet for the small sum of their annual subscription ( only a part of MNZ funding ), these anonymous critics expect that they should control every last detail of the administration of a complex organisation. Perhaps Robert might be able to inform them about the subtleties of the provincial real estate market, but I imagine that the car park might have actually risen in value since it was purchased thus becoming an appreciating asset. Do not mistake outspokenness for correctness.

Roberts shock and alarm at the voluntary departure of Paul Stewart seems to have played a part in generating much of his animosity. It is sad to see attempts to turn Paul Stewart’s departure into some sort of Jihadi martyrdom as these detract from his achievements.

If you want to play the man Robert, consider the following. In developing a personal attack on PP you need to realise that you are attacking a man who spent every moment of his life between 1974 and 1998 breathing racing motorcycles. He spent every cent of disposable income for 24 years on his passion for racing motorcycles, risking his life and limbs , and sustaining serious injuries for the beautiful madness that is Road Racing. If I am not mistaken, you have always been a bench racer , risking at most, a pinched thumb from an errant shock spring….. Conversely your involvement in motorcycle racing over a similar period of time has mostly derived you income in some way or another, So don’t talk lightly about the love of motorcycle racing around here mate. Whilst enjoying a good income at present, Paul left behind corporate sector jobs that paid multiples of what he is probably on now, so he’s not in it for the money.

So now Robert hopes that a new President of MNZ might enable him to take the fight to the CEO...this will of course, immediately solve the entire issue !!( enter appropriate Tui beer advert slogan here )

Change needs to come to Road Racing in NZ. In my opinion, alignment with Australian Superstock rules would enable an affordable and competitive race series that would enable a two way traffic of riders and machines . If you think that would make boring racing just ask any of the riders and spectators who have seen it in Australia.

So before you dismiss me as a sycophantic sibling Robert, remember its not too late to change yourself and possibly your point of view. There might even be a place for you, God knows you are intelligent enough to adapt…….
As for your various political ramblings, I think somebody should contact Labour Party headquarters and let them know that they are losing the support of small provincial entrepreneurial capitalists. I’m sure they would be “shocked” to find that they are losing the battle for what must surely have been their traditional support base……

Changing Rules alone will NOT fix the road racing scene Mark.

Since you have chosen to speak for " Our PAID Staff member" Your Brother,( Which I truly respect)
as our CEO, how much sponsorship dollars did he manage to attrack into the sport in the last 12 months?

When I say HE. I mean him directly, NOT what Paul Stewart etc obtained.

I consider myself a Friend of BOTH the above parties, but with your post, i fealt compelled to reply with this.

I know for a fact, the Robert T and CKT spend hours of NO CHARGE out time, testing and developing NEW idea's, that help in our sport, what does the CEO do?

I am NOT a Paul P nor a MNZ basher, but things in that office need to change, and they need to change ASAP.

[Shaun]

" QUOTE FROM RT"

I have only skimmed over this and you will note that I have never questioned your brothers motivation in trying to grow the sport, just the way he is going about it. As for personal attacks heck Ive got a long way to go given what Ive evidenced from other parties, and as you say not always putting their name forward. If it has come across that way ( as personal ) then I do apologise as many people who dont know me personally may misread a little what I am driving at.
If Jim Tuckerman wins the presidency ( and I think that could be possible ) he may well restore a culture of democracy and consultation. If Paul can work with that then all good.
What I do resent is that technical advice borne of long experience is not given as much credence as it should. For these final two remarks I offer no apology.
__________________


I blaim your Father, he made you different, as KAY would tell us all

I know your intentions with your posts are intended in the best way, "AS YOU SAY' a major part of the problem people may have with you and some of your posts are, JUST THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW YOU PERSONALLY!

" Quote from RT"

What I do resent is that technical advice borne of long experience is not given as much credence as it should. For these final two remarks I offer no apology.

" This is YOUR trade, NOT HIS!

I want to see Paul Pav stay as CEO, and Jim Tuckerman and Sandra Perry together as the president/s!

Jim and Sandra together would be a dream come true for any form of racing in New Zealand, road, dirt, what ever smokes your tyres.

[Billy]

I have observed recent writings on this site and it is with some regret that I feel compelled to write here. This probably would have been better served as a personal message, but as Robert Taylor has chosen a public forum to write his opinions in, I feel that I must likewise reply in such a forum. Firstly let’s put all our cards on the table. I am the older brother of the current CEO of MNZ so I do not claim impartiality. But it seems that such a virtue is in short supply around here anyway, so let us continue in spite of it…… My brother will probably be annoyed that I have taken this course of action but unlike others who have both declared, and undeclared interests in the recent discussions, I have at least had the courtesy to disclose my identity. I am thus moved to address Robert as he has the courtesy to identify himself. The anonymous phantoms in the mist deserve no such respect.

I am saddened by the fact that I have come to lose respect for someone that I have admired as a very capable expert in the disciplines of motorcycle engineering, particularly suspension. Credit where it is due though, Robert has not chosen to hide behind the anonymity that the internet can provide. He has stuck his head up and voiced opinions that have become increasingly personal in nature and he has taken to playing the man and not the ball. He has apparently embarked on a campaign of personal vendetta and in doing so has lowered his standing in the eyes of many people. The CEO is facing a crisis in participation in a sport that he has been associated with and loved for many years. The quality of entries at the sharp end is not the issue, the quantity is. Competitor numbers in National Champs have fallen from the 2006 level of 35 entrants in the 600’s down to 26 entries in 2009 . The big capacity class has fallen from 23 to 15 entries in the same period. Back in 2005 there were 30 entries in the big capacity class. The CEO has seen fit to initiate responses to this perceived crisis. If he stood idly by and let the numbers in Road Racing’s premiere classes decline even further, the same hounds that bark and whine that he is trying to do something now would be howling for his blood, crying that he stood by and let it die…..
Paul’s job is to help grow motorcycling in New Zealand. MNZ is an organising body, not a branch of the trade. He has been told repeatedly by competitors that costs are too high, and in an effort to reduce these he has made proposals to reduce the cost of running a competitive machine. Robert Taylor has attempted to hijack the discussions about change and convert them into an argument about motorcycle suspension and chassis dynamics, an area I am sure that he is comfortable in discussing, but in doing so the debate is distracted from where it really needs to be. Robert has become an outspoken critic of the CEO. A small chorus of the disaffected have generalised it into derision of all MNZ staff. Among this group are people who have probably been disciplined for assaulting stewards and making potentially criminally libellous statements about MNZ staff. Robert claims that the CEO is acting in a dictatorial and single minded way, whilst he himself has proceeded to behave in precisely such a manner, closing his mind to all possibility of change to class rules that alter the current market for suspension products and expertise. He and others have expanded this reaction into a critique of all aspects of MNZ’s operations , even down to pathetic dribblings about car park spaces…. I doubt that their $120.00 would buy much in any specialist race suspension shop, yet for the small sum of their annual subscription ( only a part of MNZ funding ), these anonymous critics expect that they should control every last detail of the administration of a complex organisation. Perhaps Robert might be able to inform them about the subtleties of the provincial real estate market, but I imagine that the car park might have actually risen in value since it was purchased thus becoming an appreciating asset. Do not mistake outspokenness for correctness.

Roberts shock and alarm at the voluntary departure of Paul Stewart seems to have played a part in generating much of his animosity. It is sad to see attempts to turn Paul Stewart’s departure into some sort of Jihadi martyrdom as these detract from his achievements.

If you want to play the man Robert, consider the following. In developing a personal attack on PP you need to realise that you are attacking a man who spent every moment of his life between 1974 and 1998 breathing racing motorcycles. He spent every cent of disposable income for 24 years on his passion for racing motorcycles, risking his life and limbs , and sustaining serious injuries for the beautiful madness that is Road Racing. If I am not mistaken, you have always been a bench racer , risking at most, a pinched thumb from an errant shock spring….. Conversely your involvement in motorcycle racing over a similar period of time has mostly derived you income in some way or another, So don’t talk lightly about the love of motorcycle racing around here mate. Whilst enjoying a good income at present, Paul left behind corporate sector jobs that paid multiples of what he is probably on now, so he’s not in it for the money.

So now Robert hopes that a new President of MNZ might enable him to take the fight to the CEO...this will of course, immediately solve the entire issue !!( enter appropriate Tui beer advert slogan here )

Change needs to come to Road Racing in NZ. In my opinion, alignment with Australian Superstock rules would enable an affordable and competitive race series that would enable a two way traffic of riders and machines . If you think that would make boring racing just ask any of the riders and spectators who have seen it in Australia.

So before you dismiss me as a sycophantic sibling Robert, remember its not too late to change yourself and possibly your point of view. There might even be a place for you, God knows you are intelligent enough to adapt…….
As for your various political ramblings, I think somebody should contact Labour Party headquarters and let them know that they are losing the support of small provincial entrepreneurial capitalists. I’m sure they would be “shocked” to find that they are losing the battle for what must surely have been their traditional support base……

Yes very well said,It should also be noted at this point that Paul Stewart was not only upset with MNZ or PP as has been mentioned on this site,But also the lack of competitors at National level to the point that at Paeroa I was informed by 1 of his closest allies he was wondering why he was bothering.It should also be noted that under NO circumstances is Jim Tuckerman going to be able too run roughshod over the current CEO and Im sure Jim is intelligent enough to realise this,They are both very similar characters and the ensuing battle would do irepairable harm to motorcycling in this country.As I have stated in another thread,NO 1 person is going to be able too fix the immediate problems facing roadracing in particular and it definitely wont happen on this site.The most important thing everybody needs to do is vote at election time and then whatever the outcome,Good communication needs too take place with the approprate members ie roadrace commisioner etc.Only then will we see any positive outcome.While we are on the subject,I am 1 of the people who has been threatened with a defamation case by the past CEO (Trevor Gill),But I hide from nobody,My user name here is the name most people on the roadrace scene have known me by since 1971 including the CEO himself

[Mark Pav]

Robert, thank you for a reasonable reply outlining your feelings on the subject. No one expects any apology about you stating technical facts and opinions, that was never my the issue. All this aside ,I think that if I was ever silly enough to throw a leg over another racing motorcycle again, I would not hesitate to listen to your advice or question the quality of your products and I would probably look to you to supply suspension gear.........

[suzuki mama]

Mark ,
loyalty of any kind is a precious commodity and you have shown your support well for your brother, the simple fact is i dont agree with you but i value the effort you made My main problem with your posting is that once again if a member shows disagreement or criticises The Ceo ,Office or Board we are accused of Bashing ,and at the same time have to put up with some stinging attacksthreats of code of conduct violations and suspensions.

The mission statement of Mnz states it aims to make Motorcycling Fun ,safe and Fair, well its failed miserably , the office is dysfunctional and we have a CEO who takes everything personally .
I dont know exactly what the Ceo is supposed to do and in the interests of better communication and god knows we need it ,the time has come to move away from the secret society practices and give every member a copy of the job descriptions of not only the Ceo but of every one in the office .

The time has come for the Ceo to admit there have been major cock ups and present the members with a plan to implement more efficent and professional practices, at this point you and others are probably baying for my blood.

However im trying to save our sport before it implodes, the simple fact is its time for the Ceo to admit he made a mistake, dont attack Robert Taylor mark ,it demeans you ,Robert Taylor is one of the most professional people in the buisness, he along with other Industry members have been trying to get MNZ into the real world.

This continuing attack on him because he has dared to offer an opinion contrary to your brothers is one of the major things wrong with our sport , step outside the square and every attempt will be made to discredit you,

The membership is un happy and will vote for change! despite some pretty unhealthy practices being carried out to prevent that.
The Marlborough Club whose members given their experiences with the Ceo and Board are likely to seriously vote against current incumbents and 150 votes are not to be sneezed at,discovered this week that unless they dump their duly elected President ,the same man who has done the job for the last 2 years without mnz jumping up and down now find in an election year he is no longer suitable and either he goes or they are suspended.
Major public relations nightmare here!

With the best will in the world Mark ,this is no way to run an office or the board, you would wonder why with the Presidents job up for grabs and 2 of the Board members not standing it couldnt wait till new Board comes in

Im not saying the Ceo doesnt have a great love of the sport ,i for one have had really good discussions about the 125s but to often we see the existence of bullying tactics.
In the industry im in we take responsibility for our mistakes ,look not to repeat them and minimise the effect on our Industry.

The opportunity exists for our sport through the excellent relationship Jim Tuckerman has with the Industry to rebuild fences,and yet we have the office constantly undermining one of the most experienced and capable people mnz has ,those of lessor ability always feel threatened by those with the greater ability.

I admire you for your efforts Mark but i continue to disagree , the Ceos people skills are appalling, instead of bringing the sport together he has fractionated it,
However with a strong President and an adherence to the constitution i beleive the situation would improve

[GSVR]

I have only skimmed over this and you will note that I have never questioned your brothers motivation in trying to grow the sport, just the way he is going about it. As for personal attacks heck Ive got a long way to go given what Ive evidenced from other parties, and as you say not always putting their name forward. If it has come across that way ( as personal ) then I do apologise as many people who dont know me personally may misread a little what I am driving at.
If Jim Tuckerman wins the presidency ( and I think that could be possible ) he may well restore a culture of democracy and consultation. If Paul can work with that then all good.
What I do resent is that technical advice borne of long experience is not given as much credence as it should. For these final two remarks I offer no apology.

Robert himself was introduced to this site by a friend (Sensi) who informed him that someone on here was saying derogatory things about him. I have also seen Robert stick up for others who aren't members of this site when they have come under attack. eg Andrew Stroud.

Since he knows himself whats its like and condems it when others do I find it a little odd that he would condone or be a part of such a thing himself concerning the CEO.

Some don't seem to grasp the concept of racing bikes with less than perfect suspension and site many sound technical reasons why they can't be allowed. I can give many sound technical reasons why bikes should be fitted with ABS and traction control. Checking out of the debate.

[scott411]

Suzuki Mama, i strongly disagree with your opinion that Paul has not people skills, i have known Paul for about 15 years now, i have delt with him on many different levels, from selling him bikes and parts, to have him race at events i have run, to talking racing and old bikes in his shed, he has always talked to me in a professional and freindly manner, i am proud to call him a mate, i do not agree wiht every decision he has made, but i still support him, he is being used as a scape goat for every decision that is made, weather he made it or someone else did.

when Paul told me he was going for the CEO job i told him not really consider it carefully, as i beleived he could never win at the job, not because he did not have the skills, i think he is about as good a candidate as we can get, but because we have a history as a sport of not getting on, and with horrible infighting.

the current fight that is going on in this board mainly with the 600 and 1000cc classes is over a discussion paper that is put out, if you do not agree with it make a submission, don't attack the guy personally, put a reasoned arguement down and it will be looked at.

and if you go up and yell an attack from someone they will not comunitcate with you, if they stay and talk they will yell at you back,

Scott Wilkins

[Quasievil]

Sounds to me like all involved in this and the other threads are all on the same page, ie want whats best for Motorcycle racing in New Zealand, but typically Ego's as well as private agendas get in the way of it so the inevitable shit fight emerges within the masses.

In my view such things should be lead from the top based on research into the problems, cant see it happening though.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Whilst I think that is fantastic that in some way someone in relation to MNZ is speaking up here on these forums where a large percentage of Road racers are involved and are looking for answers there are two things that strike my mind with this,

1: I am somewhat confused as to why you are speaking on the behalf of Paul Pav. While it very loyal of you, I believe that as part of Paul's job he should be here speaking for himself, and if not over these forums It would be nice that the masses were informed and addressed by another means of communication.

2: Without reading into a great deal, this post has not answered any questions, infact from my point of view it is nothing more that a counter action to Roberts alleged personal attacks, even more so I believe that Paul should be speaking for himself, I am sure he is not so oblivious not to know about the discussions here.

It is becoming quite apparent that the members here have no shame in identifying themselves, and it would be very nice if the MNZ CEO would address what is happening here, as it looks to me like nothing is happening and there are questions that need answering.

Cheers,

-Glen Skachill

[avgas]

You now have made motorcycling as limited a sport as boxing.
90% arguing, 5% prep, 5% actual riding.

No longer can jo-blo role up to a track, pay his fee, hit the grid and actual look like he is having a good time.

If you didn't like that way - go to Qatar......race all year.

I'm sorry, but i feel NZ should be grass-roots racing. Training ground of the young who want WSB / MotoGP futures. If we can't have that here - whats the point. We are a speck off the arse of the world, yet i can't recall when was the last season i saw a kiwi flag at a WSB or GP (pre-moto) event.

Play nice - before someone bigger and better than me wants to put a bullet into this lame horse.

MNZ needs to do some homework, everyone else needs to back off a bit a be flexible for them.
fullstop

[Robert Taylor]

Sounds to me like all involved in this and the other threads are all on the same page, ie want whats best for Motorcycle racing in New Zealand, but typically Ego's as well as private agendas get in the way of it so the inevitable shit fight emerges within the masses.

In my view such things should be lead from the top based on research into the problems, cant see it happening though.

Actually that is a fair statement Quasi, we are all on the same page but have a different view on how to get there. For the record;

1) I dont disagree with the intent of a 2nd tier 600 class, I do disagree that limiting the oem suspension mods to spring changes only is '' a bridge too far''
To that end I made a detailed submission to MNZ and very transparently posted it on this site.
2) I appear to have been singled out a bit in Marks ( understandable )support of his sibling. Im big enough and ugly enough to take that on the chin. But the fact remains that discontented MNZ members started this plethora of so called ''MNZ bashing'' threads and many have chimed in, predominantly people very discontented with the current state of affairs. And yes I have participated because I have some pretty close to the action knowledge. If that has been taken as a personal insult to the affected parties I do then sincerely apologise.
3) Take note that I have also been battling some of Pauls proposals in ''hard copy'' press, this issue has not come about overnight.
4) I spoke to Paul Pavletich late today ( not only about this subject ) and I can state that we are more than capable of having cordial dialogue and are not tearing each others throats out.

We loosely discussed a ''thinktank'' meeting of a mix of experienced / not so experienced riders, industry people, technicians etc.