Australia's military capability expansion

[Swoop]

Australia will cop it first. Don't discount your geographic isolation as a credible deterrent.

Quite so. NZ would be much better off to work with Oz and provide support wherever possible. We will never be able to fend off an attacker, but will be able to work alongside our Digger friends if the guano does hit the rotating oscillator.

[davereid]

That's fine as long as you have unimpeded control of the sea.

Which is exactly what the Japs had.

The USA wasnt in the war until Pearl Harbour in 1941.

After Pearl Harbour the japs took only weeks to capture Singapore, at which time the japs had complete command of the pacific. It took the US 6 months to be ready to rock, in fact, the japs never suffered a defeat until the middle of 1942.

The japs did, of course invade Australia directly, which is the likely route of any future conflict.

[doc]

I like the idea that was promoted a few years ago of us supplying the men for an NZ batalion stationed in Aussie, for their use. We pay and support them, the Aussies deploy them how they want, that way we get our men trained with the top aussie gear. Only problem is raising enough recruits , we have enough trouble mainting military strength now.

[spacemonkey]

I like the idea that was promoted a few years ago of us supplying the men for an NZ batalion stationed in Aussie, for their use. We pay and support them, the Aussies deploy them how they want, that way we get our men trained with the top aussie gear. Only problem is raising enough recruits , we have enough trouble mainting military strength now.

I can see the job ad's now!

The Aussies need new cannon fodder..... UNCLE RUDDY WANTS YOU! *insert butchered uncle Sam pic here*

[doc]

I can see the job ad's now!

The Aussies need new cannon fodder..... UNCLE RUDDY WANTS YOU! *insert butchered uncle Sam pic here*

Exactly what the Brits did with us at Galliopoli

[davereid]

I like the idea that was promoted a few years ago of us supplying the men for an NZ batalion stationed in Aussie, for their use. We pay and support them, the Aussies deploy them how they want, that way we get our men trained with the top aussie gear. Only problem is raising enough recruits , we have enough trouble mainting military strength now.

We used to have a skyhawk squadron stationed in aussie methinks.. as aged as they were, they were still possibly an effective maritime strike aircraft.

[puddytat]

I wonder what the Worlds reaction would be if the Govt were to announce
that we were looking to acquire nuclear tipped cruise missiles or rockets....

[Genestho]

I wonder what the Worlds reaction would be if the Govt were to announce
that we were looking to acquire nuclear tipped cruise missiles or rockets....

Tear inducing laughter?

[scuzeme]

Tear inducing laughter?

Give us nukes, we want nukes, nukes are good nukes,, nukes nukes! (in a Homer Simpson voice).

We could always train possum ninjas we have plenty of them AND they have TB!

[spacemonkey]

Just came across this bit written by a guy I know from the surf club on this subject, quite an interesting read.

Reorganizing the defense

[Genestho]

Thanks for the link Spacemonkey!!! That's a good read!!!!!

Paul's raised alot of good points, and issues there!

Amongst other comments there, I particularly note the observation of where Australia's interests shift beyond border control, possibly allying with US, where as NZ has largely a pacifist orientation.

"Will NZDF personnel and assets be deployed to Australian conflict zones regardless of New Zealand’s stand on the issue?"

The determination of policies and process.....
It all seems a complicated issue that does need forethought by experts!

"Whether or not closer integration with Australia is an appropriate course of action, or whether the tactical air wing needs to be reconstituted, or whether emphasis should shift away from the Army to the other services given likely future strategic scenarios, as well as a host of related issues, needs to be debated with such objectives in mind.

Anything short of this is waste of time and taxpayer money. Yet, as things stand, the Defense Review Board appears to have neither the personnel nor the charter to be anything other than that."
Good read indeed!!
Cheers!

[spacemonkey]

Yeah bit bit of Paul's blog I find worrying is that the new Defense white paper is being written by a committee of bean counters with no experience in either defense or security matters and is headed by Mapp who has a reputation for being a bit of an easily led sycophant.