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    Questions?

    An election either brings out the best or the worst in people

    Regretfully i think the present incumbents of the purple circle that is the Board and Administration have reached an all time low.

    As far as i am aware the web master and some of the office staff are the only ones who can post on mnz web- site ,so the alteration to the incumbent presidents profile originated from a very narrow source.

    However on looking at the email we received it was poorly presented unless ours was the only one with bad spelling and inverted vs down the side and had the look of a last minute thrown together thing ,

    Could this be as described by one license holder as the dance of the desperates.

    or are we going to find that shock horror come monday the Board and President denying any knowledge and attempt to whip up another smokescreen like we so often get at Agm time.

    I sincerely hope not ,there are to many instances now of the unprofessional nature of the Office and Board , how many members are still waiting for their voting packs
    Regretfully i have a bad feeling about this email, the members have been misled in the past

    i would hate to think someone in office or her associates would send this out then try to blame an opponent.

    Our club for one is not as trusting as we were 2 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzuki mama View Post
    An election either brings out the best or the worst in people

    Regretfully i think the present incumbents of the purple circle that is the Board and Administration have reached an all time low.

    As far as i am aware the web master and some of the office staff are the only ones who can post on mnz web- site ,so the alteration to the incumbent presidents profile originated from a very narrow source.

    However on looking at the email we received it was poorly presented unless ours was the only one with bad spelling and inverted vs down the side and had the look of a last minute thrown together thing ,

    Could this be as described by one license holder as the dance of the desperates.

    or are we going to find that shock horror come monday the Board and President denying any knowledge and attempt to whip up another smokescreen like we so often get at Agm time.

    I sincerely hope not ,there are to many instances now of the unprofessional nature of the Office and Board , how many members are still waiting for their voting packs
    Regretfully i have a bad feeling about this email, the members have been misled in the past

    i would hate to think someone in office or her associates would send this out then try to blame an opponent.

    Our club for one is not as trusting as we were 2 years ago

    Are you referring to the email that the current president sent? That's the only one I received from MNZ. If it is the one you're referring to then I could work out what Sanda was saying. Seemed very reasonable to me since she is standing for President again.

    I'm a johnny come lately to this forum and haven't been involved with MNZ or been road racing for very long. I've read a lot of the posts with all the complaints and finger pointing etc..... and I can't help thinking with the AGM and elections coming up - ISN'T IT TIME TO MOVE ON. i.e "turn the other cheek", "let bygones be bygones".... Hopefully we can get all the GREAT people who have/still do give up their precious personal time for our sport, all on the same page moving everything forward together.

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    Just my $0.02 worth.

    Ok then, I've got my tin foil hat on, you can start now

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    Quote Originally Posted by tas152 View Post
    ISN'T IT TIME TO MOVE ON.
    Yep - for the greater good and all that. Then again I see no problem with a bit of venting on this subject. As long as they are refraining from personal attacks.

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    tas152,

    I think you are missing the point Suzuki Mama is trying to make completely.
    as Wingnut says there is nothing wrong with some venting as long as it doesn't get personal.

    But when the Paid empolyees get involved in electioneering for one particular Candidate something is WRONG.

    It appears the email from Sandra Perry received by some members on Friday was sent from Huntly or at least using Huntly's email list.

    Also after restricting some candidates to a profile of 200 word, the Office added an extra section under Sandra Perry's Profile.

    It will be great to get everyone on the same page and pulling together, but to achieve that we need CHANGE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Beard View Post
    ...I think you are missing the point Suzuki Mama is trying to make completely.
    as Wingnut says there is nothing wrong with some venting as long as it doesn't get personal...
    I agree, never said it wasn't ok.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Beard View Post
    ....But when the Paid empolyees get involved in electioneering for one particular Candidate something is WRONG.

    It appears the email from Sandra Perry received by some members on Friday was sent from Huntly or at least using Huntly's email list...
    I see no problem with this PROVIDED the courtesy is offerred to all candidates that are standing in the election.


    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Beard View Post
    Also after restricting some candidates to a profile of 200 word, the Office added an extra section under Sandra Perry's Profile.
    No comment. Don't know anything about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Beard View Post
    It will be great to get everyone on the same page and pulling together, but to achieve that we need CHANGE.
    After competing in the last road race Nationals I sure do agree with you. No problem with the organisers or clubs running them but the number of racers supporting the national was REALLY disappointing.

    Cheers

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    questions

    I also have no problem with the President sending out her aims etc ,i think its a bit late but given the non -arrival of so many voting forms perhaps shes hoping to catch the late votes, i do have a problem with it either coming from office or the MNZ e-mail list being used. without it being offered to all the others standing for either Board or Presidency.

    Whats the betting that the next thing we hear or see from the President is a personal attack on her opponent ,this is the normal modus operandi for this group of people
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    I note the other candidates have kept it impersonal by referring to the office the person holds ie the Ceo or the President,

    My opinion and it is just that my opinion is that somewhere given all the questions that have been raised on this and other forums something will surface that will launch a personal attack on her opponent .
    we have seen it done to often in the past and if it happens then and this is personal to the President ,Sandra i would love you to prove me wrong.

    I would love to think you could rise against personalities and fight this election on your record , of what has gone wrong and how you hope to convince us you can fix it

    But my monies on a vitriolic attack surfacing in the next few days and as one who has always respected your contribution to our sport ,if that happens you will have lost my respect and that of many others

    However ,given that the current head of the importers association saw fit to glowingly endorse your opponent i think the Board and Ceo are in no doubt how others see them

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzuki mama View Post
    I also have no problem with the President sending out her aims etc ,i think its a bit late but given the non -arrival of so many voting forms perhaps shes hoping to catch the late votes, i do have a problem with it either coming from office or the MNZ e-mail list being used. without it being offered to all the others standing for either Board or Presidency.

    Whats the betting that the next thing we hear or see from the President is a personal attack on her opponent ,this is the normal modus operandi for this group of people
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    I note the other candidates have kept it impersonal by referring to the office the person holds ie the Ceo or the President,

    My opinion and it is just that my opinion is that somewhere given all the questions that have been raised on this and other forums something will surface that will launch a personal attack on her opponent .
    we have seen it done to often in the past and if it happens then and this is personal to the President ,Sandra i would love you to prove me wrong.

    I would love to think you could rise against personalities and fight this election on your record , of what has gone wrong and how you hope to convince us you can fix it

    But my monies on a vitriolic attack surfacing in the next few days and as one who has always respected your contribution to our sport ,if that happens you will have lost my respect and that of many others

    However ,given that the current head of the importers association saw fit to glowingly endorse your opponent i think the Board and Ceo are in no doubt how others see them
    So HOW MUCH was that bet ? Go to Holeshot for the latest instalment ......

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    honesty

    Budha ,
    have just had a look at holeshot, i could have made serious money on this one!!!
    the Harley rider is thanking his lucky stars we hadnt got to the money being pledged bit yet .
    Would have been worth a new kitchen at least !!!

    Im astounded though not surprised at the pure venom running through our Presidents posting ,which surprisingly enough she got someone else to post as quote "shes having problems with her e-mail"

    The deliberate un truths and twisting of the truth does her nor the board any credit.The insinuation that the road race commission team and commissioner were out to use sponsers money for their own ends has to be bordering on libel. i bet the board wanted to have the castrol money go thru their accounts, i note no one has answered whether the CEO still gets a cut of money he raises,

    Sorry i agree with JT some ones job in the office should be under scrutiny for leaving out The Junior Commissioners name 2 years in a row but still managing to get the latest office staffs number in,

    When it comes to Honesty and integrity Jim T leaves this lot for dead!!
    The tame qc is as we speak going thru this and i will comment later on once i have his opinion.

    To our President I would say ,i thought better of you, hope you didnt get this advice thru the law firm you assurred us last year you were not using as their advice had not in the past been sound ,however as they turn up in this years ccounts as legal advisors i guess you are,

    If you couldnt fight this election honestly and above board ,you shouldnt have fought it at all Half truths and innuendoes and emotive blackmail doesnt work ,
    Your opponent hasnt thru the forums stooped to the low level you reached today and knowing of his passionate belief in fighting this electionon the issues i know he wont lower himself to your level .
    the sooner our sport has some integrity at the top the better!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzuki mama View Post
    Budha ,
    have just had a look at holeshot, i could have made serious money on this one!!!
    the Harley rider is thanking his lucky stars we hadnt got to the money being pledged bit yet .
    Would have been worth a new kitchen at least !!!

    Im astounded though not surprised at the pure venom running through our Presidents posting ,which surprisingly enough she got someone else to post as quote "shes having problems with her e-mail"

    The deliberate un truths and twisting of the truth does her nor the board any credit.The insinuation that the road race commission team and commissioner were out to use sponsers money for their own ends has to be bordering on libel. i bet the board wanted to have the castrol money go thru their accounts, i note no one has answered whether the CEO still gets a cut of money he raises,

    Sorry i agree with JT some ones job in the office should be under scrutiny for leaving out The Junior Commissioners name 2 years in a row but still managing to get the latest office staffs number in,

    When it comes to Honesty and integrity Jim T leaves this lot for dead!!
    The tame qc is as we speak going thru this and i will comment later on once i have his opinion.

    To our President I would say ,i thought better of you, hope you didnt get this advice thru the law firm you assurred us last year you were not using as their advice had not in the past been sound ,however as they turn up in this years ccounts as legal advisors i guess you are,

    If you couldnt fight this election honestly and above board ,you shouldnt have fought it at all Half truths and innuendoes and emotive blackmail doesnt work ,
    Your opponent hasnt thru the forums stooped to the low level you reached today and knowing of his passionate belief in fighting this electionon the issues i know he wont lower himself to your level .
    the sooner our sport has some integrity at the top the better!!!!!
    ummm...is there a link to the posting you talk about??
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    www.holeshot.co.nz, Message Board, Moto talk,under MNZ voting, questions for the candidates

    Oh Dear, its started .........

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    cow poos

    sorry not sure if i understand what your asking,
    Budha referred me to another web-site i dont post on after reading my original posting re the email some of us got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by suzuki mama View Post

    Im astounded though not surprised at the pure venom running through our Presidents posting ,which surprisingly enough she got someone else to post as quote "shes having problems with her e-mail"
    this....what posting??
    Quote Originally Posted by Drew View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandra Perry
    As President, I am concerned about, what I consider to be misinformation, being circulated about me, the current Board and our CEO by Presidential candidate, Jim Tuckerman.

    Consequently I feel I have no other option other than to state the facts.

    Both on this website and in mass mail outs, Jim has accused our CEO of interfering in road racing resulting in Road Race Commissioner, Paul Stewart, withdrawing his application to continue as Commissioner for a further term.

    Jim further accuses the MNZ Board of “weak management” for not preventing the interference.

    Under our constitution, the CEO is responsible for all commercial, contractual and financial matters affecting MNZ.
    This is not a volunteer Commissioner’s role.

    The CEO has this responsibility because he is a paid professional and the Board needs to be assured that the interests of the organisation and its members are protected. The Board has policies that govern matters such as conflicts of interest and the ownership of intellectual rights including, MNZ’s membership list and branding. It is the CEO’s responsibility to ensure that all contracts that MNZ enters into comply with Board’s policies – policies that are designed to protect YOUR interests. That is how governance works.

    The first incident of alleged CEO “interference” concerned the tender process for the media coverage of last year’s road racing nationals. Under our constitution, the CEO had responsibility for ensuring that the tendering process was a fair and transparent one.
    This was particularly important in this case because Jim Tuckerman was the Commissioner’s 2IC for the road racing series, and Jim is a share holder of one of the company’s involved in tendering for the job.
    The amount of money involved was substantial, being around $50K per season. Because of Jim Tuckerman’s above stated role, our CEO directed that all tender applications be forwarded to the MNZ office so that he could oversee the process as per the constitution.
    This was not “interference” because under our constitution, the managing of tender processes is the CEO’s responsibility.

    As conflict between the two arose, as President, I set up mediation to discuss the situation and met with the two at a café in Pokeno. We all agreed it would be proper if the tender process was handled via the MNZ office.

    The second incident of alleged CEO “interference” concerned the road race website, NZSBK.
    The Commissioner set up this website independent of MNZ and the CEO received an account for $4K plus GST for its establishment and ongoing maintenance over the road race season.
    The site was not owned by MNZ, but was instead owned by Jim Tuckerman.
    The CEO debated payment of the account because he believed it devalued the MNZ website by directing web traffic away to NZSBK.
    Instead, he wanted a separate road racing page within the MNZ website.
    More importantly however, because MNZ did not own the website, it had no control over its content.
    The CEO wanted to ensure MNZ’s intellectual property rights and branding was protected.
    It would also be relatively easy through the website to gain access to MNZ’s membership list and to use those contacts for ulterior purposes. Consequently another dispute arose between the CEO and Commissioner.

    The MNZ Board became involved and the matter was discussed at a Board meeting.
    At the meeting the Board was told that if the account was not paid, then the account would be paid directly from sponsorship received from Castrol for the series. The Board authorised payment of the account to ensure the correct procedure was followed.

    The Board has since implemented new written policy; to ensure all sponsorship money must be paid through, and accounted for in, MNZ’ accounting systems.

    The Board also resolved (in a split vote) to allow the NZSBK website to continue for the 2008/09 season provided that proper provisions were included in the website contract to protect MNZ’s interests, including control over the website’s content, the purposes that the website may be put to, and MNZ’s intellectual property rights.

    The Board asked for a copy of the website contract so that appropriate protective provisions could be put in place, but to date no copy has ever been received by the Board.
    MNZ paid the website account but there has been no contact, and more importantly no protective provisions in place.
    Traffic on MNZ’s website declined by 15% no doubt, because potential viewers were diverted away to NZSBK over the Road Race series.

    Next, there appeared on the NZSBK website an invitation for viewers to log in their contact details.
    This was not authorised by MNZ who had paid for the site, and was particularly concerning as the information gathered could be used for ulterior purposes including mass email out to our members.

    The third incident of alleged “interference” concerns the CEO’s decision not to put $10K of MNZ’s money into the 2008/09 national road race series.
    The CEO reported to the Board that, in these difficult times, some fiscal restraint was required, and there was already sufficient money from sponsorship and other revenue streams raised by the Commissioner to fund the series.
    The CEO also reported to the Commissioner and Board he was not happy to support $6,000 requested being spent on a “prize trip” for two to Philip Island for attending the series as it was not good use of member’s funds.

    MX did not receive any direct funding for its National Championship series either. Again, this was not a case of the CEO interfering in the Commissioner’s role as, under the constitution; it is the CEO, and not the Commissioner, that is responsible for all contractual, commercial and financial matter affecting MNZ, including the spending of MNZ funds.

    The fourth incident of alleged “interference” concerns the CEO’s suggestion to have the road racing superbike class restricted to Super Stock based bikes. His view is simply that rider numbers in this class have declined to an alarming level partially due to the cost to modify machines, and to turn this around MNZ needs to urgently review the class rules to lower the costs. Furthermore, the decline in numbers will only worsen given the current economic recession.
    The number of superbikes raced in the 2008/09 championship session is of very real concern (barely enough for a championship class) and urgent measures need to be considered to reverse this trend.

    too be continued
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandra Perry
    In the meantime, the Auckland Motorcycle Club, who were to host the final round of the National Championship, contacted MNZ and advised that they were considering cancelling the round as they had insufficient entries (39 at close of entry) and were looking at a large financial loss – another worrying sign of the current economic recession biting.
    Our CEO, together with the NI Road Board member, held an emergency meeting with the Club to decide what to do. In the end, the Club decided to run the Championship event; MNZ provided them with additional media coverage to increase the gate take and thereby avert any potential loss.
    Again conflict arose with Jim Tuckerman after the CEO arranged the Breakfast Show from TV3 to promote the event live on the Friday morning saying it would clash with other networks. This was done and, although the Club are still sorting through the final accounts, it appears that the potential loss has been averted.

    The Board however remains concerned about the current state of Road Race Championship competitor numbers. This no way reflects on the Commissioners performance and seems to be a sign of the current economic recession and huge cost of road racing. As an example - the Moto GP with as few as 18 competing in 2009.

    As a result of Board discussion it was suggested that a ‘Think Tank’ meeting to be chaired by the Road Commissioner, a wide range of riders and trade be held to discuss the way forward. Unfortunately, the “Think Tank” has not happened because the Road Race Commissioner withdrew his application to continue for a further term.

    The fifth incident of alleged “interference” concerns the CEO’s decision not to appoint Jim Tuckerman and his Company, Motorsport Network, to manage road race media for the 2009/10 session. This decision was made for a number of reasons. Again, under our constitution, this was a decision for the CEO, and not the Commissioner, to make.
    The Board of MNZ unanimously voted to support the CEO’s recommendation to allocate media to Mr McGechan who has a long association with MNZ and proven record in his profession.

    The Board received a complaint from Road Race Commentator, Ray Whitham, that whilst engaged as MNZ’s media manager, Mr Tuckerman, threatened to “punch [his] f@#king head in”.

    The Board also received a complaint from the owner of DRD magazine, Paul Lance, that at the same event, Mr Tuckerman leaned through the driver’s window of his (Mr Lance’s car) and began a tirade of abuse which greatly upset and offended both Mr Lance, and his elderly father who was seated in the back seat. DRD magazine is a major, and much valued sponsor, of many MNZ events, including the MX National Championships.

    After receiving the two complaints, the Board considered whether to initiate a Code of Conduct hearing against Mr Tuckerman. However, it was then discovered that he was not an MNZ member so no action could be taken against him by the Board.

    Mr Whitham complained to SPARC that MNZ was not doing anything about his complaint regarding Mr Tuckerman.
    SPARC contacted MNZ and asked what action was being taken. At that time, Mr Tuckerman was still not an MNZ member. However, he has since joined and I have personally discussed the matter with our SPARC liaison person being mindful that SPARC fund MNZ to the amount of $100,000 per annum.
    Strict criteria for SPARC funding is partially focused on stable management and governance practices that they monitor on an annual basis.


    The Board has since received a further complaint about Mr Tuckerman, from an MNZ staff member.
    The staff member has recorded that, on 22 April 2009, Mr Tuckerman telephoned the office expressing concern about the accidental omission of the Junior MX Commissioner’s name from the MNZ Annual Report.

    After introducing himself, it was recorded that Mr Tuckerman said, “Well, I’m very angry, so angry…my wife is running around hiding any small things that I could throw at the moment. Do you have a copy of the annual report”

    He then went on to say, “This has got to be the biggest f#$k up the office has made since the Noel Curr thing. Now I want you to roll up that report and walk into your CEO’s office and shove it up his nose, coz it’s the biggest f@#k up. I’m telling you, you guys had better get prepared for what’s to come when this hits the streets of Auckland – I’d say it will already be out there and Auckland will get theirs first”.

    As a result, acting on legal advice Mr Tuckerman has been advised that he must not contact any staff member at the MNZ office, other than the CEO.
    Jim Tuckerman then left a message on my phone demanding that someone in the MNZ office loose their job over Junior Commissioner from the Annual report.

    Voters need to think very carefully about who they vote for in this election.

    The President’s role is a demanding one involving about 20 hours of volunteer/unpaid work per week.

    MNZ has a lot of different factions within it, and it takes a lot of patience and diplomacy to ‘steer the ship’ in a steady direction.

    Relationships are extremely important, especially those with the office staff, SPARC, sponsors, and our International colleagues.

    Remember, ‘atom bombs’ get the job done but at what cost?



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    Hi cow poos yes thats the one ,and a classic of misinformation and twisted scenarios, for the record i dont remember seeing to much posted by Jim T apart from easily proven fact ,so this is just what i predicted in an earlier post would happen ,

    This kind of personal venom and vindicativeness has no place in our sport, it makes one question what else is going on if one has to resort to personal attack .

    I ,would have preferred to see our President answer some of the questions members have been trying to get answers for.
    Iwould have liked to hear sound reasoned arguments as to why the Ceo has been allowed to interfere in the manner he has within our sport .

    I would have loved to see explainations for sparc funding ,what its spent on ,and what the office is doing to increase it ,

    instead we got paragraghs of Jim T the anti christ, well i think Budha clearly showed whose propagating the untruths and its the current President

    If the President and CEO could ever just get over their obvious inability to accept that Jim T has sound ideas and the track record to prove that hes been there done that,our sport would move on immeserably.

    Who bought Tv to Motor cycling Jim T
    who worked to bring mnz into something approaching reality as far as media goes ,Jim T
    who worked tirelessly to see original website set up ,Jim T
    who persuaded his wife to let him buy a truck instead of an overseas holiday a couple of years ago and then lent it to Road racing for just the price of diesal and had it sit in the south Island for a month with all the road race equipment on it,Jim T

    Theres more but everyone knows the one thing you cant question about Jim T is his love of and committment to the sport.

    Who is the biggest installer of Christmas for the major mall chains thru out the country including main streets and outdoor trees, Jim T
    and our President refers to him as an Atom bomb in a derogatory manner!

    This is just the man our sport needs!!!!!!!

    At the end of the day this is another mnz pr disaster well done sandra

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