Safety Barrier (WRSB) Presentation - 5th of May

[sunhuntin]

i bet youd be wishing theyd done something if you ever get rear ended for no fault of your own and shunted into one.

[Grahameeboy]

id rather we didnt give them the chance to worsen before we did something. plus, at even 70k, you will lose a limb if you have the misfortune to come off and connect with one. these barriers are not suitable for any country.

lets switch things around and pretend the person killed was a child of yours. would you be happy to sit back and assume things wont get worse, after seeing your child in more than one piece?

Yes...that's life...I would be more interested in greiving...

not only traumatic for family and friends, but also for the emergency workers who had to pick daniel up and the mortician to try and put him back together for the funeral. im fairly sure that those people would happily go a lifetime without having to see that again.

Death is traumatic...the services are trained to do that...sounds harsh but I think we forget the realities of like...if you want to be a mortician then you accept you will deal with trauma...so why feel sympathy for them...

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[Grahameeboy]

i bet youd be wishing theyd done something if you ever get rear ended for no fault of your own and shunted into one.

Probably an unlikely outcome die to angles and lower speed....

[MSTRS:Me]

It may be that in NZ the WRSB's are suitable...I mean in NZ we often say how we know best..

No more suitable here, than anywhere else. Human bodies get chopped up by these things at just about any speed.
And if something that you 'know best' impacts negatively on someone else, they are not going to be happy. The powers-that-be just do not factor motorcyclists into any of their barrier equations. As dead motorcyclists all over NZ can attest to.

[Grahameeboy]

No more suitable here, than anywhere else. Human bodies get chopped up by these things at just about any speed.
And if something that you 'know best' impacts negatively on someone else, they are not going to be happy. The powers-that-be just do not factor motorcyclists into any of their barrier equations. As dead motorcyclists all over NZ can attest to.

So how many dead bikers are due to bad roading structure...that could be alive now...??

Even with Dan how doe we know he did not die from hitting the road before the barrier...

[MSTRS:Me]

So how many dead bikers are due to bad roading structure...that could be alive now...??
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Yeah, it's not Utopia...

Even with Dan how doe we know he did not die from hitting the road before the barrier...

If you'd bothered to follow his 'story', you'd know his only (other) injury was a broken elbow

[R6_kid:Me]

In some ways yes...I am just not a knee jerker....$3 million..how is that worked out...is that "actual" extra costs or just the cost of what is involved which is different...the people involved are paid a salary which is the same what ever happens....

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...12&postcount=2

Probably an unlikely outcome due to angles and lower speed....

Refer to an earlier post where it was stated that serious injury was likely regardless of impact speed or angle.

Even still, you are missing the point. They are meant to be 'safety barriers', and the law governing their installation states that they must be 'safe for all road users' - they are not safe for all road users, and therefore something is fundamentally wrong with them. Fatality or not, they should be made to comply with the guidelines by which they are meant to be governed.

[sunhuntin]

ffs, what are you on man?? yes, some people do choose to do the grizzly jobs in life, but that doesnt mean that cases dont affect them. so yes, i will feel sympathy for them and the things they have seen. hell, im about as heartless as they come, but even i couldnt handle a job like that for too long.

of course you would be grieving, but it would be horrible having your last memory of your child being so traumatic. but, most people would also be trying to keep that death from being in vain. if dans death leads to these barriers being either removed or made safe which would then prevent others from dying because of them, then im certain those who love him will be satisfied. the fact that he died at all is rediculous... some safety barrier.

i suggest you go and read the threads related to this, and maybe speak to his parents for the full story.

[Grahameeboy]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...12&postcount=2

Still does not answer my question.

Refer to an earlier post where it was stated that serious injury was likely regardless of impact speed or angle.

Even still, you are missing the point. They are meant to be 'safety barriers', and the law governing their installation states that they must be 'safe for all road users' - they are not safe for all road users, and therefore something is fundamentally wrong with them. Fatality or not, they should be made to comply with the guidelines by which they are meant to be governed.

I think that it is not easy to protect bikers. We are more vunerable...I mean on that basis maybe we should advocate for higher barriers on bends so we don't go over them when we lose it...bikers = approx 40,000 of all road users...most cars have safety built in...we don't...

Therefore surely we have to be goverened by stats = likelihood...

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[Grahameeboy]

ffs, what are you on man?? yes, some people do choose to do the grizzly jobs in life, but that doesnt mean that cases dont affect them. so yes, i will feel sympathy for them and the things they have seen. hell, im about as heartless as they come, but even i couldnt handle a job like that for too long.

I am on life reality / perspective...not a cotton wool society

of course you would be grieving, but it would be horrible having your last memory of your child being so traumatic. but, most people would also be trying to keep that death from being in vain. if dans death leads to these barriers being either removed or made safe which would then prevent others from dying because of them, then im certain those who love him will be satisfied. the fact that he died at all is rediculous... some safety barrier.

Grief is grief...I agree if the barrier is killing others ie a danger then his death will have highlighted a safety issue...no one knows what would have happened if there was no cheescutter ot a concrete barrier..what would people say if he hit a concrete barrier and died...oh I am glad it was not a cheese cutter and he was sliced in half?

i suggest you go and read the threads related to this, and maybe speak to his parents for the full story.

I have to a point but see no reason talking to parents...life goes on still...

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[Grahameeboy]

Yeah, it's not Utopia...
If you'd bothered to follow his 'story', you'd know his only (other) injury was a broken elbow

I know that 1st hand...

Fair enough but see a recent post which covers this.

I know I sound harsh....I am just pit life in perspective which makes me accept things more...

[sunhuntin]

if there was no barrier, or a concrete barrier, chances are, dan would have been very sore for a few days, but he would have been alive. he wouldnt have been scattered across a motorway right in front of one of his friends. sickening enough to see someone come off, never mind witness their death at the same time.

a death caused by a "safety" barrier is not acceptable, no matter what drug you are on. im not interested in cotton wooling society, but i AM interested in preventing needless deaths. if you spoke to his parents, youd learn what the media and cops didnt bother to report... i know what happened, but am not at liberty to share it around.

i suggest you go and grow a heart, and then come back.

[OnCam]

haha awesome paper scigen101, good luck with presentation, wire barriers are evil for bikers

[R6_kid:Me]

I think that it is not easy to protect bikers. We are more vunerable...I mean on that basis maybe we should advocate for higher barriers on bends so we don't go over them when we lose it...bikers = approx 40,000 of all road users...most cars have safety built in...we don't...

I am well aware of this and it is a point I raise in the presentation. But should safety barriers be installed for the benefit of one group of road users at the expense of other groups?

I think we all know that there is a degree of risk involved with motorcycling, as there is with any motorvehicle. We also know that (in general) the safest place to do high speeds is on a closed race circuit.

The guidelines for safety barrier use state that it must be safe for all road users, and that it must not present a greater risk than the object which it protects from collision - in many cases WRSB do not do this. We all wear helmets, and most of us wear full leathers, boots and gloves - this is the best we have, and when designing the barriers we should be taken into consideration with the assumption that we are already doing the best we can to protect ourselves.

It's not about turning safety barriers into cotton wool and making the road a safe playground for the hoons and hooligans. It's about making something that is meant to be inherently safe for all those who may or may not come in contact with it, actually do it's intended job.

[Grahameeboy]

if there was no barrier, or a concrete barrier, chances are, dan would have been very sore for a few days, but he would have been alive. he wouldnt have been scattered across a motorway right in front of one of his friends. sickening enough to see someone come off, never mind witness their death at the same time.

a death caused by a "safety" barrier is not acceptable, no matter what drug you are on. im not interested in cotton wooling society, but i AM interested in preventing needless deaths. if you spoke to his parents, youd learn what the media and cops didnt bother to report... i know what happened, but am not at liberty to share it around.

i suggest you go and grow a heart, and then come back.

Having a different outlook on life to you does not mean I don't have a heart dude...you don't know me or my personal circumstances that may just make me look at the different angles of life

I knew Dan from rides so was very sad and had RIP on my screen...I attended Loose Bruces (who I knew) memorial..yep I care...but like I said..I just look at life things differently that's all.

No offence taken