Non-stick coating problem

[Noidy]

We found with ours there is enough capacity to make 1 & 1/2 quantities of dough for oven baking

[Beemer]

We have a Panasonic SD200 with a pan that looks very similar to the one Grusomhat found. Purchased about 1998 and thrashed for 2-3 years by us and then a further few by the inlaws and now only gets used occasionally. Hundreds of loves been baked and apart from the drive belt nothing has been replaced. Pan is discoloured but still non stick. Wonder if the element is too hot causing the teflon to let go rather than the bad pans

I'm beginning to wonder that myself. I set it on the basic white loaf setting, with a medium crust (so I'm not cooking it on the highest setting) and it certainly comes out nicely browned - but if you set it to the light setting, it's a bit anaemic. If, as Panasonic say, they have never had anyone report two pans having this coating problem before, maybe it is the baking unit rather than the pans. I'm about to draft the letter now.

DB - the recipe I use for the breadmaker (but it would probably work okay done by hand too) is 1 1/4 cups water, 1 tbsp sugar, 1 1/2 tsps salt, 1 tbsp butter, 3 cups plain flour and 2 tsps Surebake yeast. I have HEAPS of breadmaking books so if there is a particular recipe you are after, send me a PM and I'll see if I can hunt one out for you.

[vifferman]

As I said, we've never had this problem with our Panasonic (over 10 years old), but my in-law's one is a newer model (the one that makes larger loaves) and is apparently suffering from lost teflon too. Interestingly (or not), my mother-in-law religiously soaks and washes hers after baking, whereas ours almost never gets cleaned.

[Beemer]

As I said, we've never had this problem with our Panasonic (over 10 years old), but my in-law's one is a newer model (the one that makes larger loaves) and is apparently suffering from lost teflon too. Interestingly (or not), my mother-in-law religiously soaks and washes hers after baking, whereas ours almost never gets cleaned.

With the first pan we used to fill it with water as soon as the bread was baked and wondered if that caused it to flake - so with the second one we left it until cold before filling it with soapy water to soak off any dried bits of bread. No difference at all - still flaked within months of use.

[Max Preload]

What a lovely little sewing circle we have here... would you like your own recipe forum?

[Beemer]

What a lovely little sewing circle we have here... would you like your own recipe forum?

Ha ha - you actually posted with some good advice the other day - what's changed?!!!

I'll attach a shot of the bubbling that I took after the loaf came out a short time ago. I've just emailed a letter and photo to Panasonic and will let you know how I get on. I got a quote back from the coating place - 'around $85' which while better than $150, is still a bit much. Here's hoping Panasonic will replace it AGAIN and it may actually last the life of the breadmaker!

[Lucyloo]

What a lovely little sewing circle we have here... would you like your own recipe forum?

Actually now you mention it........
I have recently found a breadmaker in the back of a cupboard - it's my partners - anyway, I have been trying out different recipes but have not yet found one that I like. The one I made last night was better but the top didn't rise.......so any recipes gratefully accepted! Beemer, will try yours next, thanks!
Luce.

[Max Preload]

Ha ha - you actually posted with some good advice the other day - what's changed?!!!

It's moved on from a query on the CGA (which applies to merchantability and durability of goods and can be applied to most everything you buy) into a how-to of baking bread!

[Beemer]

It's moved on from a query on the CGA (which applies to merchantability and durability of goods and can be applied to most everything you buy) into a how-to of baking bread!

But it's still on the same loose topic, which was breadmakers! Hey, does anyone want a good pav recipe while we're at it?!!!

[twistemotion]

I also have the SD-253, and haven't had problems with the non-stick coating, although it hasn't seen nearly as much use as yours Beemer. Here's hoping mine doesn't go the same way any time soon...

Try your luck with the CGA.

[Beemer]

Well, you can't fault Panasonic for their response, which was emailed to me yesterday afternoon:

"Thank you for your enquiry. Separately we are sending you a replacement bread pan, which we trust you will accept in the spirit in which it is offered as a special consideration made without prejudice and in support of the product.
Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience you have suffered but we trust our response meets with your approval and goes some way in restoring your faith in appliances manufactured by Panasonic.
Thank you for your letter and for giving us this opportunity to respond."

So, although I'm pretty sure the new bread pan won't last the remaining 7.5 years to match how long my Sanyo breadmaker lasted, I am pleased to hear they will send me a replacement free of charge. I hoped they would react in this manner and I certainly don't think I have anything to complain about right now. I didn't even mention the CGA in my letter, I just stated how long my previous breadmaker had lasted and said that Consumer's website had the life expectancy of a breadmaker as 3-7 years, with most lasting 5+, so I felt the pans should at least last five years.

As I hadn't received Panasonic's response yesterday morning I went looking for new breadmakers in Wellington while I was down there for the Monet exhibition and found the larger model Breville appears to have the same sort of coating as the old Sanyo one. Fingers crossed they will still make that model or will have replaced it with one that has the same pan coating by the time I need a new one!

[CookMySock]

Good on them. Quick, sell it on trademe.

Comes with TWO breadpans! One brand new still in wrapper!

Steve

[Beemer]

Good on them. Quick, sell it on trademe.

Comes with TWO breadpans! One brand new still in wrapper!

Steve

Very tempting!

[monkeymsea]

I've got a Panasonic breadmaker (model SD-253) that has a problem with the non-stick coating on the bread pan, which bubbled and flaked off after a short time. We've had two replaced under warranty but now it's out of warranty and when I contacted them today to see if I could get a replacement, I was told the bread pan came complete with a new kneading blade and it could be provided to me for just $150.48! Hells bells, the whole unit only cost me $199 in the first place!

At that price I would be better off buying a new breadmaker, but what I'd like to know is whether anything can be done with the old pan? The coating has bubbled badly on the base and in some places there are holes and it's starting to rust. I use it every day so binning it without a replacement isn't an option - but neither is spending $150!

I had a look on Trade Me but second-hand ones are going for about $200 so that's not really an option either.

We do a non stick coating at work.. not sure how cheap it is tho? I could find out?

[davebullet]

Unfortunately, they don't make them like they used too.

Our panasonic breadmaker is like vifferman's - 10 years old.

We use ours every 1 - 2 days. The pan isn't as non stick as it used to be, but doesn't flake off shit onto the loaf. We use a plastic fish slice to loosen the loaf at the sides then slide her out. We make loaves and pizza dough.

The best loaf recipe that suits lashings of butter and marmalade or jam came with the original panasonic recipe book. I'll post a photo of how a good loaf should look - not the shit you get at the supermarket.

Anyway - the recipe. Put it in the breadmaker in this order and preferably delay it - setting to finish after about 10 hours for best results (gets ingredients to room temperature so it rises better)
3 tsp yeast (edmonds surebake is ok)
1 lb flour
1 tsp salt
1 tsp sugar
1 tablespoon butter (more makes a browner loaf)
2 tablespoons milk powder
3 tablespoons sesame seeds (optional)
3/4 cup natural yoghurt
180mls water

set your panasonic breadmaker to large loaf (middle size) and light crust

Best damn bread this side of texas.

PS Ours is a model SD-250... damn good those 250cc machines eh?