How to tell your boss she has unreasonable expectations?

**carver** · 16th May 2009, 17:18

Originally Posted by cs363

Oh bugger ......

nothings ever really new is it?!

nothing is new to NZ's most notorious stunt crew

**popelli** · 16th May 2009, 17:30

Originally Posted by RantyDave

I'm sorry, but this sort of thing really pisses me off. Not only can you not fire someone for being shit at their job; nor can you reduce their pay; but you can't even continue paying them the same amount to not do the job anymore.

I'm sorry, I'll have to stop there. I hope I've made my point.

Dave

yes you have made your point

you are firing off making comments without having all the pertinent information

employment leglislation is there to protect workers from being exploited or abused

If i was shit at my job yes they could have fired me, but I wasn't, the head office was more than happy with my work and the previous general manager was also more than satisfied with my performance, the problem was a new general manager was appointed to the company, he fancied himself as a finance manager and decided he could do my job (which he couldn't) and decided to treat me as an office boy

Unfortunately because I am a chartered accountant I am ethically bound to work to professional standards, this was impossible when information was deliberately being with held from me

This was an unworkable situation for all parties, had the general manager been professional and ethical he could have very easily and legitimately made me redundant

He thought he could use his lawyers advice to constructively dismiss me and thus avoid paying redundancy payments.

**HenryDorsetCase** · 16th May 2009, 17:40

Originally Posted by allycatz

I had a lawyers letter from her this week offering $1k if I shut up and went away....I said no

good call: bet that interview went something like:
lawyer: "you did what???" "you're screwed - lets try and knock this on the head for you in the most cost effective way possible: give them money to make them go away now, rather than face a contested court/tribunal process and still get done like a dinner plus have to pay me to fight it"

your ex-boss "Fucking hell!, OK then"

so hang in, ramp it up as muc as you can, and get them to pay your costs as well.

**popelli** · 16th May 2009, 17:51

Originally Posted by cs363

Taking employers to court is not always the best idea, particularly if you work in a niche industry - word travels and prospective employers may think twice before employing someone who has a record of taking employers to court,

Yes word travels fast, I was contacted by a recruitment agency and asked what was the problem with this employer

They had placed a person in this role shortly after I left and that person left very quickly

The recruitment agency following their discussion with me declined to put candidates forward to this employer as they realised that it was not in their long term interest or their canditates interests to place professional people in an unprofessional and unethical enviroment.

My advice to anybody in this situation or similar is to leave asap, continuing to work in unsatisfactory work relationships is not worth the effort

However the problem with leaving with no job to go to is how to cover this up on your CV - so find a job - any job first

**awayatc** · 16th May 2009, 18:44

NZ has grown a bit....
but it still is a small village.....

**RantyDave** · 16th May 2009, 19:01

Oh I so knew you were going to red me.

Originally Posted by popelli

I am a chartered accountant

So that's a professional qualification. Go get another job.

They had placed a person in this role shortly after I left

See? Told yer.

had the general manager been professional and ethical he could have very easily and legitimately made me redundant

Also true. I have no doubt that your now-ex boss fucked up left right and centre. The whole shitfight obviously cost the company a small fortune in paying salaries of people who sat around pissed off all day, recruitment fees, legal BS etc. etc. etc. Doesn't mean that pitiful bickering is good for either the participants or the economy as a whole, does it?

Dave

**popelli** · 16th May 2009, 19:46

Originally Posted by RantyDave

I have no doubt that your now-ex boss fucked up left right and centre. The whole shitfight obviously cost the company a small fortune in paying salaries of people who sat around pissed off all day, recruitment fees, legal BS etc. etc. etc. Doesn't mean that pitiful bickering is good for either the participants or the economy as a whole, does it?

agree 100% and yes the ex boss has since been moved on to create disasters elsewhere

this was just one of about 4 or 5 compromise aggreements this company negotiated in about as many months - complete inept managament

getting another job once you are past a certain age is easier said than done, however I have started my own business and have been trading successfully and profitably for over 3 years and have made considerably more money

**cs363** · 16th May 2009, 21:06

Originally Posted by popelli

Yes word travels fast, I was contacted by a recruitment agency and asked what was the problem with this employer

They had placed a person in this role shortly after I left and that person left very quickly

The recruitment agency following their discussion with me declined to put candidates forward to this employer as they realised that it was not in their long term interest or their canditates interests to place professional people in an unprofessional and unethical enviroment.

My advice to anybody in this situation or similar is to leave asap, continuing to work in unsatisfactory work relationships is not worth the effort

However the problem with leaving with no job to go to is how to cover this up on your CV - so find a job - any job first

Agree totally

**Mort** · 16th May 2009, 22:09

MOSS skills are in strong demand. Your confidence with this bitch will lift when you are receiving calls from agents and employers (clients of yours) who want to talk to you. Get your CV sorted (if you want a totally objective "expert" review - PM me) and get it out there....

In the meantime...

Ask yourself what are the good points about where you work
What are the bad points (OK so that is covered here)
What are you prepared to do - are you prepared to move or commute from Tauranga ?
Do you have alternate BA skills useful to other firms ?
Keep a diary/black book... just in case.
Speak with a career consultant/coach... there may be a way forward where you are (you would find it such a relief if there were - deep down I think you WANT to make this job work)
If you really want to stay...Think about a one to one meeting with the Boss. Prepare a full script and agenda. State clearly what you want as a sucessful outcome. I don't think there is anything impossible here - you are not asking for a massive pay rise or something.... you just want respect , better communication and space to do your job. Be prepared to take and discuss criticism, but stand your ground. A small firm which communicates better will be so much more effective - make sure she realises that.
I bet there aren't that many skilled MOSS practicioners in Tauranga like you. Be proud of what you do and find a way to show that pride (so she sees it)
Think where and what you want to do in 3 years time - can you achieve that in this firm. If yes, its time to sort out these issues (because you won't make it otherwise). If No, its time to leave ASAP

Good luck.

**Solly** · 16th May 2009, 22:21

Originally Posted by Mort

MOSS skills are in strong demand. Your confidence with this bitch will lift when you are receiving calls from agents and employers (clients of yours) who want to talk to you. Get your CV sorted (if you want a totally objective "expert" review - PM me) and get it out there....

In the meantime...

Ask yourself what are the good points about where you work
What are the bad points (OK so that is covered here)
What are you prepared to do - are you prepared to move or commute from Tauranga ?
Do you have alternate BA skills useful to other firms ?
Keep a diary/black book... just in case.
Speak with a career consultant/coach... there may be a way forward where you are (you would find it such a relief if there were - deep down I think you WANT to make this job work)
If you really want to stay...Think about a one to one meeting with the Boss. Prepare a full script and agenda. State clearly what you want as a sucessful outcome. I don't think there is anything impossible here - you are not asking for a massive pay rise or something.... you just want respect , better communication and space to do your job. Be prepared to take and discuss criticism, but stand your ground. A small firm which communicates better will be so much more effective - make sure she realises that.
I bet there aren't that many skilled MOSS practicioners in Tauranga like you. Be proud of what you do and find a way to show that pride (so she sees it)
Think where and what you want to do in 3 years time - can you achieve that in this firm. If yes, its time to sort out these issues (because you won't make it otherwise). If No, its time to leave ASAP

Good luck.

..........and then kick her in the crotch