Waterview Motorway extension - why can't it be tolled?

**FJRider** · 14th May 2009, 16:10

We have a perfectly good sewerage system, proper planning in the past saw to that ...

**MisterD** · 14th May 2009, 16:15

Originally Posted by FJRider

We have a perfectly good sewerage system, proper planning in the past saw to that ...

There's nowt wrong with Auckland's planning the motorway system was planned in the 60's...the execution on the other hand...

**FJRider** · 14th May 2009, 16:18

So make it a toll road ... and let the users pay for it ....

**FROSTY:Me** · 14th May 2009, 16:20

Forgive my possible ignorance but hasn't this motorway been planned for 15-20 years??
Wasnt the plan to build tunnels just an attempt to shush up voters?

To me this smells like the people who bought a home next to a pub or western springs then complained about the noise from them .
The apsolute bullshit that guy was spouting on tv about ohh my poor baby--- the traffictraffic fumes and construction noise. Yet he bought cheap right alongside a clearly marked planned motorway --and how idiotic can a person be that sees the mangere motorway being extended and doesnt go--er hmm might be a bit of construction noise soon

**ManDownUnder** · 14th May 2009, 16:30

Originally Posted by FROSTY

To me this smells like the people who bought a home next to a pub or western springs then complained about the price.
The apsolute bullshit that guy was spouting on tv about ohh my poor baby and traffic fumes and construction noise. Yet he bought cheap right alongside a clearly marked planned motorway --and how idiotic can a person be that sees the mangere motorway being extended and doesnt go--er hmm might be a bit of construction noise soon

Oh shush - don't go bringing common sense into it. I suppose you're going bring up that I was told years ago, in detail by flyers, public meetings, community groups etc, and I somehow used that information in my personal best interests to sell my house there and avoid any personal or financial discomfort... back about... 6 years ago?

People need more notice than that my man. Oooo yes - we need time to find a scape goat, a protest committee, raise funds and find a scape goat (or did we do that already - it's ok - two's better than one).

After all - it's not my fault! I'm not responsible for my own wellbeing... that's the government's job right?

**Dave Lobster** · 14th May 2009, 16:54

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

After all - it's not my fault! I'm not responsible for my own wellbeing... that's the government's job right?

No no - not now. Yee ha, the wicked witch is dead!!

edit.. well.. gone anyway.

**Skyryder** · 14th May 2009, 17:07

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

... but... they just paid for the cycleway.

$1.4billion saved... at 3% interest equals... $42 million a year so the cycleway's paid for in (hang on this is a tough one... ) ummm...1 year 2 months and 9 days. That's before looking at any economic benefits it brings post completion.

If they'd gone underground it'd be "woe is me - they're spending too much money". They're saving money so it "woe is me - think of the people".

Let's also not forget the geo reports confirming that right there is a PRICK of a place to tunnel because of the basalt layer that stops right where they needed to tunnel and the consequential instability of the ground.

Would you prefer they connect down Rosebank road and wipe out all the industry instead of the housing (sorry - tunnelling down that way's not an option y'see), or perhaps not complete the ring road and not reap the estimated $300 to $400 million per year in derived benefit?

Tough one really - but... tight economic times, an uncertain future ahead, we need the benefits of a completed ring road, we don't want to burden NZ with the debt financing...

Gee - I wonder what the prudent thing to do is?

Just remember the Auckland Harbour Bridge They got the projections wrong on that. Labour were going to do it right six lanes underground. Yep it was going to cost but in my experiance the cheapest option today usually is the dearest option tomorrow.

Skyryder

**MisterD** · 14th May 2009, 17:14

Originally Posted by Skyryder

Just remember the Auckland Harbour Bridge They got the projections wrong on that. Labour were going to do it right six lanes underground. Yep it was going to cost but in my experiance the cheapest option today usually is the dearest option tomorrow.

So you think the best option for the future is twin two-lane tunnels, versus this plan which has enough built-in space to expand to three lanes each way?

**ManDownUnder** · 14th May 2009, 17:17

Originally Posted by MisterD

So you think the best option for the future is twin two-lane tunnels, versus this plan which has enough built-in space to expand to three lanes each way?

Of course - the bridge never needed more than two lanes each wa...

**FROSTY:Me** · 14th May 2009, 17:40

Originally Posted by ManDownUnder

Of course - the bridge never needed more than two lanes each wa...

Ohh and Robbie was WRONG to want a decent public transport system integrated into our roading system

**popelli** · 14th May 2009, 17:51

Originally Posted by FROSTY

To me this smells like the people who bought a home next to a pub or western springs then complained about the noise from them .

hijacking the thread

but having been through the mill about living next to a pub and having to put up with the noise there are two sides to every story

the local council tried this shit on us when we complained about noise ignorant twit that he was - when we bought the house 14 years earlier there was no pub next door - it was put in place by inept council planning decisions

rant and rave over

**FROSTY:Me** · 14th May 2009, 18:05

Originally Posted by popelli

hijacking the thread

but having been through the mill about living next to a pub and having to put up with the noise there are two sides to every story

the local council tried this shit on us when we complained about noise ignorant twit that he was - when we bought the house 14 years earlier there was no pub next door - it was put in place by inept council planning decisions

rant and rave over

Thats the REVERSE of the idiots that moved into western springs or next to the Leapard tavern/kitty obriens in town and then complained about the noise.

**Skyryder** · 14th May 2009, 18:30

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Ohh and Robbie was WRONG to want a decent public transport system integrated into our roading system

Any idea who put the 'kybosh' on that??

Skyryder

**robboh** · 14th May 2009, 18:32

Originally Posted by FROSTY

Thats the REVERSE of the idiots that moved into western springs or next to the Leapard tavern/kitty obriens in town and then complained about the noise.

Not to mention the f**kwits living next to Manfield, which initially had NO houses around it!

Oh, lets go build next to a motor-racing circuit, and THEN start bitchin about the noise.