Some more ideas on growing the Nationals

[AndrewStroud]

Yep, like I said im undecided like anything it has pros and cons, it just makes it harder on the people coming up, especially those that havent cut their teeth and had support from a younger age.

Of coarse Shaun, It would be unwise to decide anything without knowing what is on offer.

As per my post on 'Control tyre poll' It's a little tricky to vote when we don't know what the deal is.
eg There maybe nothing offered worth considering or for some funny reason a NZ wholesaler may manage to get the mothership (ie Pirelli Italy, Dunlop UK, Michelin France ...etc) involved and keen on the idea.. then you don't know what could come of it. Whats say they could offer tyres at a price that is the same as they could be sold on for when used, effectively giving racers a tyre bill of $0. They can provide tyres that work really well and last for ages.....sponsor the class and provide prize money. ?????
Optimistic I know. But if you don't ask you don't know.
At present some riders in S/B can easily use 10 new soft compound tyres in a meeting if they chose to. It makes it hard for up and coming riders.
I suggested the idea because it could well benefit 90% of the field, - probably at the expense of us sponsored riders. However it could well be one of the factors that could turn the series around.
You can see it is not just a yes / no vote. The real question is, 'Should it be put up for tender'?

[SWERVE]

While im all for making tyres etc more affordable to all i dont agree with the one make tyre rule.
Making the "two sets per meeting" rule should sufficiantly cut costs and be within most serious competitors budgets.
Having a healthy competition between suppliers is a good thing IMHO. It allows riders the choice and different suppliers a bite of the cherry too.
I doubt whether the type of contigancy sponsership fund/prize money by a single supplier that you imply would be substantial enough to have the masses running.
Unless someone knows more!!!!!!!

[Drew]

Making the "two sets per meeting" rule should sufficiantly cut costs and be within most serious competitors budgets.

Two sets on a Superbike isn't enough. A thou will destroy a rear in a session if ya get the setup wrong, and in the pursuit of quicker lap times things get tried, that may have that wrong effect.

How about this, we rotate the supplier for control tyres? Perelli one year, Dunlop the next, (christ, it might mean mere mortals could actually afford to try them.) Continental after that, and so on, and so forth.

This could actually be good for tyre distributers, because there would be a lot more set up info floating around for each. People would be keener to run a certain brand, if they could get the exit grip they lack, as an example.

[Tony.OK]

Two sets on a Superbike isn't enough. A thou will destroy a rear in a session if ya get the setup wrong, and in the pursuit of quicker lap times things get tried, that may have that wrong effect.

How about this, we rotate the supplier for control tyres? Perelli one year, Dunlop the next, (christ, it might mean mere mortals could actually afford to try them.) Continental after that, and so on, and so forth.

This could actually be good for tyre distributers, because there would be a lot more set up info floating around for each. People would be keener to run a certain brand, if they could get the exit grip they lack, as an example.

I'd see that as being an extra expense Drew, having to retest everytime a new supplier was announced. Am totally happy to run DOT tyres though, not in agreement about a control tyre. While it may be good for some, it may not be for others as has been said already.
Is NZ big enough to support a one make rule? That would put serious pressure on the suppliers who miss out. And what happens if the price turns out to be more than someones already paying via a sponsor?

Would be a shame to have some suppliers pull out if they aren't selected as the control supplier.

[cowpoos]

Would be a shame to have some suppliers pull out if they aren't selected as the control supplier.

There are other classes...and they can try out tender the next time...I presume there would be a review at a regular interval.

I support the control tyre Idea.. levels the playing feild more...I know a few will loose out..but a few always loose out for the great good of anything.
tyre development argument...well...there are other riders and other countrys...[sorry Jay]...


To get a Idea of what people think about this idea I'll start a poll eh...

[cowpoos]

There are other classes...and they can try out tender the next time...I presume there would be a review at a regular interval.

I support the control tyre Idea.. levels the playing feild more...I know a few will loose out..but a few always loose out for the great good of anything.
tyre development argument...well...there are other riders and other countrys...[sorry Jay]...


To get a Idea of what people think about this idea I'll start a poll eh...

Poll posted here ----> click here

[Shaun P]

Of coarse Shaun, It would be unwise to decide anything without knowing what is on offer.

So true, im sure you will get alot of backing if you look to push some ideas though, if not from the established minorities..

[CHOPPA]

Control tyre is a great idea, the Oz Prod Superbike series has a limit to 2 control Dunlop 209gps and in 5 20 min sessions on a thou that was not set up at all they hardly wore as they are pretty hard but they were safe you just adjust your riding to suit.

A control tyre with a limit of 2 sets is clearly the way to cut costs. My budget last year was 80% tyres!!

[roadracingoldfart]

We came up with the idea of holding a separate North and South cup within the nationals where your points at each island counted to a championship result. Sketchy is actually a good representitive of this - he couldn't do South island this year so finished 5th in F3. With a NI/SI cup his seasons results would be F3 5th, NI cup 1st, SI Cup not participated. This gives the club guys more of an incentive to show up at the national rounds for their island and try to get a result within that. It's also something that bridges the gap between localised club meets and the whole national series.

Jay

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[JayRacer37]

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Similar, but not the same. I don't advocate a one off event for a 'final' - I really hate that idea as we need more races across our champioonship, not less. With my idea the championships run as normal/now, but points are pulled out to make a North/South Is cup out of them. I also like the thought of Stroudys that says the the clubs make the National round count to club championship points, as this would (you would hope) encorage the club racers to come out.

[jellywrestler]

Control tyre is a great idea!!

Forget the control tyre, I was at the MNZ Road Race workshop this afternoon and this was not one of the outcomes.
There were a lot of interesting discussions put forward on all sorts of things, rather than me give you bits and peices keep an eye on the MNZ web site they will be on there in a few days.

[Sketchy_Racer]

Similar, but not the same. I don't advocate a one off event for a 'final' - I really hate that idea as we need more races across our champioonship, not less. With my idea the championships run as normal/now, but points are pulled out to make a North/South Is cup out of them. I also like the thought of Stroudys that says the the clubs make the National round count to club championship points, as this would (you would hope) encorage the club racers to come out.

I put forward the idea of the NI/SI Cup idea that you suggested in our MSN conversation at the road race workshop today, so we may see something of that (But also we may not) but it seemed that the powers that be certainly have taken the idea into account and may consider it.

I was suprised how civil the meeting was to be honest and some good ideas have been floated, just now to see if/when we will see action taken on them I suppose.

Cheers,

-Glen

[Petrolic]

Some great ideas, but what do I know. BUT for someone who will never be good enough to do nats heres my view. 1stYou want people interested in motercyle racing well good luck, my family will not watch unless they see very close racing or crash's and who of us hard core bikers don 't watch plays of the week and think any different. 2nd I see at club level young riders on not NEW bikes with stock engine suspension and well used rubber and still blow half the field away against others WHO HAVE fully raced up machines. My point, who else can see that potential. Try and tell Lorenzo that his wettyres would not last as long as they did. "TALENT"and feel. stroudies ideas I think is that Talent wins out and not Dollars spent or we will never create another teenage Rossi or Lorenzo bcos of the costs involved in this field. Stroudy! my boy put your signed poster on his bedroom door , thats what this sport is missing, instead of thinking about what benefits our instant race future lets think about younger even more talented riders that could BBB

[Drew]

Some great ideas, but what do I know. BUT for someone who will never be good enough to do nats heres my view.

This attitude has a lot to do with the low numbers at the nats, if you've done a season at club level, you're safe enough to do the nats.

1stYou want people interested in motercyle racing well good luck, my family will not watch unless they see very close racing or crash's and who of us hard core bikers don 't watch plays of the week and think any different. 2nd I see at club level young riders on not NEW bikes with stock engine suspension and well used rubber and still blow half the field away against others WHO HAVE fully raced up machines. My point, who else can see that potential. Try and tell Lorenzo that his wettyres would not last as long as they did. "TALENT"and feel. stroudies ideas I think is that Talent wins out and not Dollars spent or we will never create another teenage Rossi or Lorenzo bcos of the costs involved in this field. Stroudy! my boy put your signed poster on his bedroom door , thats what this sport is missing, instead of thinking about what benefits our instant race future lets think about younger even more talented riders that could BBB

NO, tallent will not always win over dollars, particularly in Superbike.

A good example is Choppa this year at the Nats. He was riding incredibly well, and going insanely quick on his practically standard ZX10, but was beaten over all by guys he would out brake, corner faster, and gas it sooner than.

[k14]

I'd be very keen to hear how the discussion went at the AGM. Who led the road race workshop?

Does anyone have a rough date on when this stuff should be finalised. Being a shift worker I need a good 6 months notice to guarantee I can actually make the meetings. I think in past years we have been notified around June/July and that is 6 months plus, but if meetings are going to be as early as November and we only find out in July then it doesn't give the optimal/fair amount of time to weigh up what everyone is going to do.