Some more ideas on growing the Nationals

[Drew]

nuthin wrong with karen gaba gaba heye ...

but As to this growing the sport , heres an Idea ( and someone else will do it while others argure )

moto gp the 250 class is going 4 stroke 600 soon ( I think ) , So,,,, why not make , 600 unlimited our premier class ( as in as per motogp rules ) and allow , stock and super stock 600 to race in the same class based on the 1.07% wildcard rule , ie if u are within 1.07% of the top time you are in .

This opens up the customer base for single product , to the world stage .. bigger markets more money ?


So I could buy a CBR 600 and develop it to within an inch of its life, ( trickle down theory here ) and get quite a number of years racing out of it ..... and if triumph does a compeditive 600 I get bears as well! !!!!!

Stephen

I might do that meself ! ,,,its such a good idea!

The 600cc motoGP is pretty much a go, but the bikes will still be, grand prix bikes. Not at all based on road bikes. From what I've read at least.

[JayRacer37]

The 600cc motoGP is pretty much a go, but the bikes will still be, grand prix bikes. Not at all based on road bikes. From what I've read at least.

Absolutly. MotoGP has to be Prototype. Apparently World SBK is on the verge of throwing a fit about the proposed MotoGP2 class as they are talking about using production motors...a big no-no is SBK's book as they are the production racing world series.

[Brian d marge]

Absolutly. MotoGP has to be Prototype. Apparently World SBK is on the verge of throwing a fit about the proposed MotoGP2 class as they are talking about using production motors...a big no-no is SBK's book as they are the production racing world series.

i give you....

tadaaaaa http://www.blatawcm.com/

looks ok to me !

Stephen

whoops its had a gp motor , still ..just change back to SBK the rest of the parts would still be applicable to motogp 250

[Kiwi Graham:Me]

Absolutly. MotoGP has to be Prototype. Apparently World SBK is on the verge of throwing a fit about the proposed MotoGP2 class as they are talking about using production motors...a big no-no is SBK's book as they are the production racing world series.

Apparently there might be some weird rule that can order teams to sell their engine to a competitor for $20k if requested 1 hr after a race?? and ECU's to be regulated by the organisers and held by them between races??

[Shaun]

Log me down as a helper for who ever takes this role on Andrew

I will do what I can

EDITED, I want to proof read the rules for Road Racing, so all the rules are in simple english, NO GREY AREA's!!!

[Maido]

^^ haha yes! I concur!

[steveyb]

Apparently there might be some weird rule that can order teams to sell their engine to a competitor for $20k if requested 1 hr after a race?? and ECU's to be regulated by the organisers and held by them between races??

Yep, one of the proposed rules is a 'Claiming Rule'.
This is not so uncommon in the USA, not sure if it is ever used though.
The rule claims to keep costs of bikes down as it means that after any race/meeting you can go up to any team with your money (an amount determined at the start of the season), give it to them and take the bike away.

A control ECU is also mooted, along wth the control engine.

Makes it all sound productiony to me, production race bikes, as opposed to production road bikes. Ah well, we'll see.

[wharfy]

Yep, one of the proposed rules is a 'Claiming Rule'.
This is not so uncommon in the USA, not sure if it is ever used though.
The rule claims to keep costs of bikes down as it means that after any race/meeting you can go up to any team with your money (an amount determined at the start of the season), give it to them and take the bike away.

A control ECU is also mooted, along wth the control engine.

Makes it all sound productiony to me, production race bikes, as opposed to production road bikes. Ah well, we'll see.

I quite like the idea of production race bikes, Isn't that essentially what most MX bikes are in NZ ? MX is doing pretty damn well by comparison to road racing in NZ.
If they made a "soft" version for the great unwashed that was cheaper to buy and easier to maintain ?

[Brian d marge]

Yep, one of the proposed rules is a 'Claiming Rule'.
This is not so uncommon in the USA, not sure if it is ever used though.
The rule claims to keep costs of bikes down as it means that after any race/meeting you can go up to any team with your money (an amount determined at the start of the season), give it to them and take the bike away.
.

Didnt it come from Swedish banger racing. I saw a top gear program on it once

Stephen

[Robert Taylor]

I quite like the idea of production race bikes, Isn't that essentially what most MX bikes are in NZ ? MX is doing pretty damn well by comparison to road racing in NZ.
If they made a "soft" version for the great unwashed that was cheaper to buy and easier to maintain ?

Not neccessarly so, nothing is what it seems,

National Junior 125 cc MX champion Cam Dillon CR125. Ported cylinder and head, V-Force block, Pro Circuit pipe and muffler. Vortex ignition.Tag handlebars. Ohlins custom built TTX44 and reworked front forks. Etc etc.

National Senior 125cc MX champion Damien King YZ125. Almost identical menu of aftermarket bits to Cams bike with the addition of custom built Ohlins TTX gas front fork cartridges.

National open class ( 450cc ) MX champion Damien King. YZ450F Upspec'd motor with Pro Circuit pipe / muffler. Aftermarket handlebars hubs, levers etc. Vortex ignition. Ohlins TTX44 rear and Ohlins TTX gas cartridge front.

Many top runners were using our beloved Swedish suspension components, bought and paid for.

Junior Nationals

150cc class CRF150 Ist place Campbell King. Pro circuit motor internals and exhaust. Reworked fork internals and Ohlins rear shock.

250cc CRF250 1st place Cam Dillon. CRF250 Pro Circuit motor upgrade and exhaust system. Vortex ignition. Aftermarket this and that. Pro Circuit suspension but following testing has switched to Ohlins on grounds of its working better on our tracks.

I have personally worked in MX since the mid 80s and in that time have prepped, ported, reworked and rekitted motors and suspension for many riders including many National MX champions. Including; Shayne King, Damien King, Daryl King, Ben Townley, Andrew Hardisty, Daryl Hurley, Michael Cotter, etc etc. Hardly anyone in the national level classes ride stock production bikes, and that goes back decades.
Motors get upspec'd but above all the suspension gets reworked ( Pro Circuit, Race Tech, RG3 etc ) or replaced. In reality these bikes are more highly modified than our sports production road race bikes.

[SWERVE]

Yeh we think that road racing is exspensive.
The money some of these guys (and some of the club riders) throw at MX is HUGE
And if you think you can buy a latest spec bike of the shop floor..race it and be up there... think again...pass me the chq book.
But hey just like our racing the same names (those who have it ) keep cropping up in the winners list.

[Robert Taylor]

Yeh we think that road racing is exspensive.
The money some of these guys (and some of the club riders) throw at MX is HUGE
And if you think you can buy a latest spec bike of the shop floor..race it and be up there... think again...pass me the chq book.
But hey just like our racing the same names (those who have it ) keep cropping up in the winners list.

Its not always so but perhaps those with the most talent and promise are also those most likely to recieve extra support, be it money or many hours of unpaid work. Often both.
I dont knock people for having lots of money as long as theyve worked hard for it and carry people along with them. Carrying people along with them happens a lot in our sport and all others. It provides people with an income and the ability to employ. Without profit there is less help for people.

[wharfy]

I have personally worked in MX since the mid 80s and in that time have prepped, ported, reworked and rekitted motors and suspension for many riders including many National MX champions. Including; Shayne King, Damien King, Daryl King, Ben Townley, Andrew Hardisty, Daryl Hurley, Michael Cotter, etc etc. Hardly anyone in the national level classes ride stock production bikes, and that goes back decades.
Motors get upspec'd but above all the suspension gets reworked ( Pro Circuit, Race Tech, RG3 etc ) or replaced. In reality these bikes are more highly modified than our sports production road race bikes.

Yeh we think that road racing is exspensive.
The money some of these guys (and some of the club riders) throw at MX is HUGE
And if you think you can buy a latest spec bike of the shop floor..race it and be up there... think again...pass me the chq book.
But hey just like our racing the same names (those who have it ) keep cropping up in the winners list.

Oh well, never mind, it would still be nice to be able to buy the current equivalent of a TZ250/350/750 - anybody know how much they cost in their day ? I can remember when grids were full of them.

[GSVR]

Its not always so but perhaps those with the most talent and promise are also those most likely to recieve extra support, be it money or many hours of unpaid work. Often both.
I dont knock people for having lots of money as long as theyve worked hard for it and carry people along with them. Carrying people along with them happens a lot in our sport and all others. It provides people with an income and the ability to employ. Without profit there is less help for people.

Perhaps its time for an Open/F1 class again. This may inspire another Britten or Buckley to build a very cool bike. Then there would be a search for a suitable young rider to pilot it like a Stroud ,Briggs, Poole, or Harris. Bikes like that can really get the attention of the public and get them along to the track.

As you say time moves on. But I still like the idea of an open class with little in the way of restriction like MGP. But I'm also just as passionate about seeing a very standard class with totally unmodified bikes that would show off raw talent.

[SWERVE]

Dont get me wrong Robert. I dont care how much money they have or spend...they are racers that makes it ok in my book.
Although maybe not very well put. my point is that in this game you do have to spend money.........lots of it........ ITS AN EXSPENSIVE SPORT. If ye want to be "up there"
I Totally agree with you they do have talent....lots of it. They have spent money ...lots of it. And they have spent untold hours behind the scenes working to get them where they are now.
I used to be crew for an international drag bike team in the UK. We won several champs and set records too............. Believe you me i know the EFFORT that is involved.
Now currently trying to build a road race team/ support network to take my son on to racing career. Every waking hour that im not a work (and some that i am) is spent "behind the scenes".watch this space
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