Suggested punishments for a theif...

[Zed]

Welcome back Zed I've missed you.

So because of your indifference to you being ripped off, the perp has committed further offences that may have been prevented if you had chosen to act. Oh well done.

Skyryder

This crook actually ripped 6 of us off within several days of eachother. It was a strange one though because up until that time this specific trader had 30+ positive feedbacks under his belt and nil negative! So at first I though that maybe something untoward had happened to him and gave him some extra time hoping that the goods would turn up eventually, but once I realised that a whole group of us had been hard done by I concluded that he had done a runner with our money. One of the other traders was going to the police, etc and it looked as though TM was going to cooperate with any prosecution.

So there's often times more to the story Mr S.


Zed

[Blakamin]

Mummy and Daddy will say "We had no idea, he's such a good kid" despite that they wouldn't know as they are never home due to "careers" and "socializing" and he'll get let off...


OR

The parents will tell you to "fuck off, thats my kid you're talking about and if you ever say anything like that again we'll sue you!" just before going to winz and complaining that they had to pay travel costs to get their no-good shit of a kid to court and can they have more money coz he needs his ADD drugs...


OR

He's just a shifty little cunt and his parents applauded the whole thing, (they sell insurance over the phone) thinking that the kid was showing innitiative....


OR

He stole the computer and thought "easy money".... and he still has the computer and if this is all the trouble he's gunna get into away we go!!! (except now he has to find a way of masking his IP address)


[sarcasm]Isn't society to blame????? [/sarcasm]

Fuck him... NZ needs more youth detention centres

[jazbug5]

Blackamin, you're not wrong. At all. All good points.

My problem with borstal is this: you take a bunch of maladjusted little shits for whom having no morals has so far worked, chuck them together in a prison-like institution and train them how to live in prison; be a bigger piece of shit than the others and you don't get bullied.

I don't know about NZ Borstals: what's missing here is input from someone (and there must be someone) here who's actually been in one. It's be great to hear from them.

I know about Scottish ones. Not from the inside- I ran away (lucky for me) right before I was stuck in one by the authorities. Luckily life straightened out for me. Not so my friends. Too many stories for what's essentially turning into a thread heist, so I'll limit this to one.

I have spent the last ten years watching my best friend's daughter be turned from a confused hippy kid (okay, my mate's not a great mum- product of Liverpool borstal etc etc excuses over) into a thieving, sneaky amoral junkie who now screws strangers for her next fix. Last I heard, she ran away from hospital right before they were going to amputate her arm.
She has just turned eighteen. Don't think she's going to be around for her nineteenth- but hey, at least she can't have kids any more!

Maybe some institutions out there do work. Maybe they are staffed by smart people who know how to give kids the right sort of abrupt lesson they need. Maybe boys do better in them. I just... sort of doubt it.

[scroter]

i reckon send him to boot camp like you said, if he dosent turn up cut his hands off.

[jazbug5]

Troll.

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[ManDownUnder]

OK... ladies and laddies - here's what happened... about 2 weeks ago (note the slight delay since I originally started this thread... justoice ain't hasty in this country).

Thje kid is stuffed up. I'm not one to roll over and say "poor baby" but this kid was buggered from the get go, and is trying to make the best of a bad (BAD) lot.

Mum murdered at 2 (verified), his Dad doesn't want to know him (and hasn't for years) and he's grown up actively rejected by anything he could call family. His Dad will not allow him anything to do with his mother's side of the family either - the only thing that MIGHT give him some sense of who he is and any offering of familial love.

I can possibly explain why he's aggro, and trying to make cash any way he can... he's not wanted, and he's broke.

The Family Group Conference itself was very useful for all concerned - for me to understand what happened, and also for me to not stoop to his level - tempting though it was just to give him arseholes... For those Covey fans out there... the whole seek to understand, then to be understood is a rule to follow - it work... MAN did it work in this case.

SO... he's paying us all back at $40/week from his job on a dairy farm, working pre dawn, and finishing after evening milking (with time off durig the day). He's doing an automotive course and bettering himself and a couple of us are going for a ride up to Whangarei to meet him in a few months to see how he's getting on.

I've been through some tough times personally (no - this ain't a woe is me)... but this kid has been living a shitty life for his whole life. I'm personally amased he's 1/2 sane.

Happy to give any more detail (except names etc) if wanted - PM me. All in all - I've come out of it a little wiser, and feeling pretty damned good about myself with the resolution that came out if it...



MDU

[Dadpole]

Looks like it might be a good result. I hope he sticks with it, and good for you for going through with it. Personally, I would count the money you lost as an investment in a future for him.

[ManDownUnder]

Looks like it might be a good result. I hope he sticks with it, and good for you for going through with it. Personally, I would count the money you lost as an investment in a future for him.

Ironically the money lost gives me an entitlement to stay involved- and he sounds like a 1/2 decent, albeit completely screwed up, kid.

I was thinking of getting some of the KB crowd in Whangarei together and going for a ride? I'll take this kid pillion... show a fun side to life? Whatcha all reckon?

[Sniper]

Kill them with kindness MDU.

Failing that take him up a back road and use jrandom's idea of a crowbar

[SPman]

Ironically the money lost gives me an entitlement to stay involved- and he sounds like a 1/2 decent, albeit completely screwed up, kid.

I was thinking of getting some of the KB crowd in Whangarei together and going for a ride? I'll take this kid pillion... show a fun side to life? Whatcha all reckon?

yeah - why not. Got nothing to lose and might well do some good.

and - any excuse for a ride........

[ManDownUnder]

Kill them with kindness MDU.

I don't understand what you mean...

I have to admit I set things up so I am the last to get paid out... and if he doesn't pay up for any reason - i'm back on his case. He knows that from last time, and this time it'll be the same.

MDU

[Beemer]

I'm amazed at such a seemingly positive outcome and I really hope it does work out well for all concerned. I can see that it must have been tempting for you to call him every bastard under the sun and make him feel bad, but obviously calmly discussing the matter has worked. I know I have been tempted to shout and scream when someone has wronged me but in the instances where I haven't, the outcome has been much better. Often the person expects you to have a go at them and is all ready to be defensive or aggressive, but when you just express your anger or disgust at their actions, they have the wind taken out of their sails.

I am not excusing his actions, but he really doesn't seem to have much of a life. I hope he will learn something from this and make a brighter future for himself. Working on a dairy farm may be just what he needs to get himself straight - most farmers are too tired to get into trouble when they finish work! And I like the fact he has to pay you all back.

Maybe just keeping in touch with this guy and letting him know you don't hate HIM for what he did, you just hate WHAT he did, will be enough for him to think twice before ripping anyone else off. Take him for a ride, who knows, he may be redeemable after all!

[Sniper]

I don't understand what you mean...

Its a statement that mean, just be extra extra nice to him so that he feels really really really bad about it. That way he will never do it again.
I tried it once but Im too impatient

[ManDownUnder]

Its a statement that mean, just be extra extra nice to him so that he feels really really really bad about it. That way he will never do it again.
I tried it once but Im too impatient

All good - cheers. I wondered if that was it.

Yeah - the poor little bugger has been shafted at every turn, and I'd love to get him inspired with something - ANYTHING. He's putting in the hard yards now, knows he did bad and wants to fix that up... I want to ensure he maintains that opinion.

I keep thinking of Greg Newbold, ex crim (bastard actually) now a sociology or criminology professor? Awesome stuff. That kind of experience can really set you up for life if you use it right.

It can also give you and the world at large the ammo to destroy you.

MDU
PS - I sounds a tad philosophical today... where my BJ?

[Sniper]

So..... you want a BJ or BJ?