Poll on control race tyres. yes/no?

[JayRacer37]

Dunno just putting some ideas out there really. How about a max rrp price cap for a set of tyres? so if say a certain brand is over a $1000 dollars retail, it could be thought to be too expensive, of course the cheaper racers can get them for the better.

Gives the advantage back to people who have even some help on tyres as theoritically if they could provide recipts they could get better tyres for under the cap. As I've said before, I don't think anyone who races or buys tyres for racing pays full flaming retail, be they using other racers cast offs or getting them supplied for less.

[cowpoos]

with guidelines to being commercially available with a resonable commitment from competitors?

There are guidlines in place at the momement for this in Supersport. the tyres have to be on sale to the general public. [does it say in New Zealand??]
Their were a few pairs of tyres that are not obtainable in NZ, seen floating around During the nats.

[JayRacer37]

There are guidlines in place at the momement for this in Supersport. the tyres have to be on sale to the general public. [does it say in New Zealand??]
Their were a few pairs of tyres that are not obtainable in NZ, seen floating around During the nats.

Not certain if it says in NZ, but I'm sure it would have been implied in there somewhere.

Really? What tyres were those Poo's?

[codgyoleracer]

Kind of ironic really, If the "chosen supplier" of the control tyre ends up winning the contract , they then have to A) supply tyres to the race industry at a "competitve price" - but then B) End up with a bunch of them on the market at seasons end )both new & used) , which steals actual retail road tyre sales from their own brand).....

Still like the idea of a treaded control concept though for the 600ss, pro-twin, & 150ss/250 twins classes.

Glen Williams

[AndrewStroud]

Kind of ironic really, If the "chosen supplier" of the control tyre ends up winning the contract , they then have to A) supply tyres to the race industry at a "competitve price" - but then B) End up with a bunch of them on the market at seasons end )both new & used) , which steals actual retail road tyre sales from their own brand).....

Still like the idea of a treaded control concept though for the 600ss, pro-twin, & 150ss/250 twins classes.

Glen Williams

Hi Glen, I don't think selling on used street tyres would bother the supplier too much as it puts their brand out to street riders who may discover how good their tyres are. Then they'll want to tell their mates and also buy some more themselves.

Treaded tyres work fine on a Superbike as well - like World 1000 Superstock and I think their races are longer than ours.

Re price cap idea; Not sure how that would work. I suppose each supplier could come up with a price that they'd be prepared to sell tyres to racers for. Any amounts over a certain figure could rule their brand out. I'm not sure if suppliers are in a position to sell direct to all racers though.
Re two sets for qualifying and two races; It's a good step in the right direction. Though riders could still use soft / expensive tyres which may not be much good for practise at the following meeting, - it does though remove the option of using 3 new sets for qual & 2 races

[Robert Taylor]

Hi Glen, I don't think selling on used street tyres would bother the supplier too much as it puts their brand out to street riders who may discover how good their tyres are. Then they'll want to tell their mates and also buy some more themselves.

Treaded tyres work fine on a Superbike as well - like World 1000 Superstock and I think their races are longer than ours.

Re price cap idea; Not sure how that would work. I suppose each supplier could come up with a price that they'd be prepared to sell tyres to racers for. Any amounts over a certain figure could rule their brand out. I'm not sure if suppliers are in a position to sell direct to all racers though.
Re two sets for qualifying and two races; It's a good step in the right direction. Though riders could still use soft / expensive tyres which may not be much good for practise at the following meeting, - it does though remove the option of using 3 new sets for qual & 2 races

Im with Glen on that one Andrew. Its no different to Glen selling a whole load of greenhouses at very very minimal margin and / or actually sponsoring a few and then they are put out for sale by the users, effectively competing with his new sales. The market is in reality so small that there is more likely loss of potential revenue to the primary supplier.
Its a bit like lobby groups wanting money from the Government ( any Government! ) Where does the money come from in the first place and its very definitely not a bottomless pit.

[cowpoos]

Im with Glen on that one Andrew. Its no different to Glen selling a whole load of greenhouses at very very minimal margin and / or actually sponsoring a few and then they are put out for sale by the users, effectively competing with his new sales. The market is in reality so small that there is more likely loss of potential revenue to the primary supplier.
Its a bit like lobby groups wanting money from the Government ( any Government! ) Where does the money come from in the first place and its very definitely not a bottomless pit.

can we just assume this?? or would it not hurt to try?

[Two Smoker]

Treaded tyres work fine on a Superbike as well - like World 1000 Superstock and I think their races are longer than ours.

This could be a possible good idea. I imagine it quite hard to sell alot of second hand slicks...

[Mishy]

O.k, so we are suggesting price capping tyres. Ask yourselves this - who sets prices on tyres ? Many of you out there will be buying them through a Retail outlet which is getting assistance from an importer - so how do you force a retailer to limit a price ?
Also, from an importers point of view, i agree with Glen. There has to be some way of making money from selling the product, and injecting cheap used product back into the market that will remove any chance of selling tyres off the back of your racing efforts (largely done at very little margin) isn't appealing at all.
As far as selling used race tyres to the general public for road use - i'm totally opposed to it for many reasons, some safety, and some commercial.

Most of the tyre importers put a lot into racers already, and for little profit.
I agree with limiting the number of tyres per meeting, but couldn't really get interested in a control tyre, and would actively discourage any assisted riders from selling used race tyres back into the raod market - why would i help anyone who udercuts me with the used product ?

[Shaun]

There is another supporting idea RE the champs to posted by MR Stroud some time soon. I telephoned him and disscussed it with him the other day, and asked him to post it up

It will be along when 6 of the 7 are tied up!