Passing when group riding - important especially for newbies

[Ronin]

LOL nah you got me all wrong. I'm "know it all cunt". Prove me wrong - I invite you.

How, precisely and exactly, will I interfere with you on the road, while you are in the opposing lane, when I state I don't enter that lane - even while overtaking? Hrm?

Now we will see who is all talk. Put brain in gear before mouth, mate.

Steve

Ironic: Fail

[neels]

There are far too many words in this thread.

Riders should ride their own ride in the group. Where possible leave room for other riders, but they shouldn't assume anyone will make space for them.

Everyone should know where they are going before they head out for a ride, so they don't have to do stupid shit to stay with the rider in front.

If in doubt don't do it.

Just my 2c

[Metastable]

In fear of throwing this thread even further into the gutter, let me just to address a small point.

Topic of knowing where the group is going:
Yes the group needs to know where they are going. However, here and I assumed there (and I'm getting to thinking I assumed incorrectly) too, on certain rides it is IMPOSSIBLE for the other riders in the group to know the entire route. Here we often have to ride 1+ hours on a combination of various highways and surface roads to get to a section where it becomes easy to wait up for people. We have about 6 million people within a 45 minute radius... and sorry... explaining the route and having the other riders memorize it precisely would be a very difficult thing to do. Plus there are times when some riders simply don't know a particular area we are riding to. Plus because of our often crap traffic, we have to change route mid ride. You need a group that is together. Doing this in a safe manner is tough. That's just the process we need to do to get to the fun part..... once there, meeting up at the next turn off is easy. There is no need for stupidity or recklessness anywhere along the way.

Anyway, just wanted to try to clarify that bit.

[MSTRS:Me]

There are far too many words in this thread.

There'd be far fewer, if a certain someone would desist in trying to impress us with his god-like skillz...
The funny thing is, he is in no position to advise on strategies for group riding...who here would ride with him, for him to know what to do?

[CookMySock]

There'd be far fewer, if a certain someone would desist in trying to impress us with his god-like skillz...
The funny thing is, he is in no position to advise on strategies for group riding...who here would ride with him, for him to know what to do?

More like, if thread contributors would stay on topic and dispense with the veiled insults, social ladder climbing, put downs, and general family violence.

What have you added? Well thought-out ideas? Considered opinions? No?

It is easy to shoot your mouth off, or irrationally pick fault and belittle people, but that makes you part of the problem and not part of the solution. If you do that, I'll point it out - sorry if that stings.

Steve

[Owl]

It's about facilitating.

Perhaps that wasn't clear in your first post, but I got it and agree.

[MSTRS:Me]

Steve (Post 65)
Valid criticism is a useful contribution. As are viable alternative suggestions or advice.
Downright dangerous 'advice' (ride down the centreline all day) just illustrates why you are the recipient of so much criticism. It takes a thousand words to counteract and disprove a couple of dozen of yours. Contrary to what seems to be your opinion, most members here do not want to see newbies trying out the shit you spout.

[sinfull]

Steve (Post 65)
Valid criticism is a useful contribution. As are viable alternative suggestions or advice.
Downright dangerous 'advice' (ride down the centreline all day) just illustrates why you are the recipient of so much criticism. It takes a thousand words to counteract and disprove a couple of dozen of yours. Contrary to what seems to be your opinion, most members here do not want to see newbies trying out the shit you spout.

Here here !!!

[PrincessBandit]

It's an easy situation to cock up. Even with two riders my husband had to ask me not to throttle off immediately after pulling back in (from a passing lane which was running out). I could see him following me on the pass but failed to take into account that he would need to fit in behind me. Both of us learnt from it.

[CookMySock]

Steve (Post 65)
Valid criticism is a useful contribution. As are viable alternative suggestions or advice.
Downright dangerous 'advice' (ride down the centreline all day) just illustrates why you are the recipient of so much criticism. It takes a thousand words to counteract and disprove a couple of dozen of yours. Contrary to what seems to be your opinion, most members here do not want to see newbies trying out the shit you spout.

I invite valid criticism, even if I don't consider it to be valid. Contribute, discuss, observe, offer your opinion.

The "ride down the centreline all day" comment is much like "travel everywhere at 110km/hr all day". On the face of it, and taken in context, it's perfectly doable, except for those who believe it is not. But it's going to invite the nitpickers to scream the place down, as when taken literally it would be completely infeasible - well in excess of being dangerous, it's just not possible.

The important thing to remember about the internet, is readers DO have a brain, and if the nitpickers think that their derisive comments hold any water with said readers, then hey post their abusive tirade and let it be on record. It isn't my fucking character on display. Bring it on - be a part of the abusive side of KB... whee!

Steve

[MSTRS:Me]

I invite valid criticism, even if I don't consider it to be valid. Contribute, discuss, observe, offer your opinion.

The "ride down the centreline all day" comment is much like "travel everywhere at 110km/hr all day". On the face of it, and taken in context, it's perfectly doable, except for those who believe it is not. But it's going to invite the nitpickers to scream the place down, as when taken literally it would be completely infeasible - well in excess of being dangerous, it's just not possible.

The important thing to remember about the internet, is readers DO have a brain, and if the nitpickers think that their derisive comments hold any water with said readers, then hey post their abusive tirade and let it be on record. It isn't my fucking character on display. Bring it on - be a part of the abusive side of KB... whee!

Steve

Dealing with you on matters of safe, practical riding strategies is like arguing with an idiot....
A waste of time and energy
Takes no real ability
And the idiot will never know (or accept) that he lost the argument

[R-Soul]

Passing in between two lanes of traffic, takes you about 1.5 meters from the cars.

Assumption FAIL.

Provided you do not do this with a very high speed differential, you can idle along the centerline and nip in between any car at any time. Obviously, if an oncoming car moves up the centreline, then you withdraw.

What if this oncoming car suddenly appears around a bend? Or are you now going to qualify your advice that it should only happen on straights now?

And even on a straight - where do you propose to withdraw to?And how? By hammering on brakes, hoping like hell you have enough time to pull in, and that there is not a car too close behind travelling in the sme direction as you?

Consider also, in heavy traffic on a two-lane, two-way road, the cars are physically unable to pass - it is really unlikely that any car can or will pull out in front of you.

Thats not to say they wont approach the centre line for a look see, or to turn off, or whatever? all of a sudden your 1.5 m is looking closer to 30 cm with a speed differential of 200km/hr!

This is not the case if there is no opposing traffic, where cars you propose to overtake can and will randomly pull out on you.

And are much more likely to do so if they have looked in their rear view mirrors and NOT seen you in it because you are sitting on the centre line to the side of them...

The biggest danger in this case, are bikers coming the other way who are thinking the same - never execute a sudden swerve onto the centreline.

So the biggest danger in this scenario is YOU heading the opposite way...? Makes you think doesn't it?

If you don't feel confident lane sharing in these circumstances, as with all things biking - don't do it.

The fact that a person can feel confident doing an action is no indication of that actions inherent hazardous nature. I am sure quite a few Crusty Demons feel confident popping backwards loops on their bikes five floors up. That doens't make it safe.

And when it is a hazardous action, that teh person feels confident is simply an indication of that persons capabilities, or ignorance. The thing about this situation is that it is not made safer by a better rider.

[MSTRS:Me]

Makes you think doesn't it?

Who is this 'you' of which you speak?

[carbonhed]

Some Kiwibiker threads contain such a wealth of fuckwittery that they should in some way be permanently removed from the digital domain, carved onto stone tablets and then launched into space to scare the living shit out of any hostile alien species that may be lurking nearby.

This is definitely one of them.

I'd like to thank the usual suspects and some fresh faces for reminding me once again to pick my riding buddies carefully

[R-Soul]

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So the biggest danger in this scenario is DB heading the opposite way...? Makes you think doesn't it?

OK so this is what I actually meant,...