Biden

**sugilite:Me** · 2nd September 2021, 16:31

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Oh I know, he came up with a Plan, Joe changed it, now Joe has to wear the consequences. Nice on the comparison of Hyperbole, but unlike most of Trumps - there is no way the Afghanistan Clusterfuck can be called in any way shape or form a 'success' let alone an Extraordinary one.

Oh, you mean Trumps hyperbole was believable? Tainted mad love for your man there bud.
I'm going to build a cardboard rocket ship and fly to Neptune. There, I made a plan about as realistic as one of Trumps plans. About the only plans Trump made that were well executed, were the very regular trips to the golf course and mean tweets.
I don't disagree with your view on Bidens fuckups etc.

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Joe's administration has pissed all over nearly 200 years of Tradition. And this isn't my Opinion - this is the Opinion of every Ex and current Military member I've talked to/watch/interact with.

And since the buck stops with Joe (or, let's be real here - his handlers...)

Actually, I believe Biden went his own way here without "handlers" perhaps he should of had some of those around, Trump sure could of done with them many times. You want to talk embarrassing -President Donald Trump said he addressed Russia's interference in the U.S. 2016 election and that President Vladimir Putin was "extremely strong" in his denials. Oh, the Russian president said he did not do that thing - good enough for Trump

So pray tell, where did you chat with these military members? Gun forums, right leaning political forums? And they disapprove of how Joe the dem got it done? Hardly surprising eh.

Had Trump been in charge of the withdraw and dogs got left behind, I have no doubt you would of had no end of good reasons why. Not in the constitution perhaps?

For the record, I strongly feel they should of taken the dogs, interpreters and every other Afghan that did work for the US regime.
If they want to impeach Biden for the mess he made, go for it I say.

**pritch** · 2nd September 2021, 18:50

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Joe's administration has pissed all over nearly 200 years of Tradition. And this isn't my Opinion - this is the Opinion of every Ex and current Military member I've talked to/watch/interact with.

What is this historical tradition of which you speak, never leaving people behind? Like in Vietnam where they bugged out leaving all their paperwork behind for the North Vietnamese to identify US allies? I can definitely tell you your second sentence is wrong.'

This article about military dogs being evacuated from Kabul is interesting.

**pritch** · 2nd September 2021, 19:33

This, apparently from the NY Times, is some of what was left behind. I can't confirm the NYT as I don't subscribe but my source is reputable so I'll take his word.
The main worry is where it might turn up next.

22,174 Humvees
634 MII7s
162,013 Radios
16,035 Night Vision Goggles
358,530 Assault Rifles
34,363 Machine guns
176 Artillery pieces
33 Mi-17 Helicopters
33 Blackhawk Helicopters
4-C130 Transports

**pete376403** · 2nd September 2021, 19:39

Originally Posted by pritch

What is this historical tradition of which you speak, never leaving people behind? Like in Vietnam where they bugged out leaving all their paperwork behind for the North Vietnamese to identify US allies? I can definitely tell you your second sentence is wrong.'

This article about military dogs being evacuated from Kabul is interesting.

The dogs used by the US forces in 'nam were shot by their handlers

**pete376403** · 2nd September 2021, 19:43

Originally Posted by pritch

This, apparently from the NY Times, is some of what was left behind. I can't confirm the NYT as I don't subscribe but my source is reputable so I'll take his word.
The main worry is where it might turn up next.

22,174 Humvees
634 MII7s
162,013 Radios
16,035 Night Vision Goggles
358,530 Assault Rifles
34,363 Machine guns
176 Artillery pieces
33 Mi-17 Helicopters
33 Blackhawk Helicopters
4-C130 Transports

A newscast I saw from Kabul airport showed a lot of the aircraft (fixed and rotor wing) damaged, avionics amd other critical equipment removed, wiring ripped out, etc. Not easily fixed.

**sugilite:Me** · 2nd September 2021, 21:11

Originally Posted by pritch

This, apparently from the NY Times, is some of what was left behind. I can't confirm the NYT as I don't subscribe but my source is reputable so I'll take his word.
The main worry is where it might turn up next.

22,174 Humvees
634 MII7s
162,013 Radios
16,035 Night Vision Goggles
358,530 Assault Rifles
34,363 Machine guns
176 Artillery pieces
33 Mi-17 Helicopters
33 Blackhawk Helicopters
4-C130 Transports

Fuck me, if that's it then it looks like TDL's 8th largest army claim is bullshit.

Remnants of the U.S. military are inspected by the Taliban at the Kabul airport.
Aug. 31, 2021, 12:31 p.m. ETAug. 31, 2021
Aug. 31, 2021

Looks like these guys below are yet to receive the upgrades.

Shortly after the final C-17 transport plane left the airport in Kabul, Gen. Kenneth F. McKenzie Jr., head of the U.S. Central Command, addressed the media. He sought to quickly reassure the American public that, among other things, much of the U.S. military’s equipment that was left behind had been dismantled or destroyed so the Taliban could not use it.

Some of it, General McKenzie acknowledged, had been left at the airport. And on Tuesday, striking images emerged of Taliban fighters inspecting and securing some of the damaged equipment that remained, including dozens of military vehicles and armored S.U.V.s.

Photographs taken Tuesday showed Taliban members looking over remnants of a Blackhawk helicopter and an Afghan Air Force plane, both of which had been deliberately damaged by departing U.S. forces.

U.S. officials said last week that they had conducted a controlled detonation at Eagle Base, the final C.I.A. outpost outside the Kabul airport, to ensure that equipment or information left behind could not be used by the Taliban.

**pritch** · 2nd September 2021, 22:23

This is the Kiwi Al Jazeera reporter. Kabul is just one airport used by the US. Presumably they left Bagram in a similar state - or not. The Taliban would have scored valuable equipment from the hastily departed Afghan units. Plus there will likely be huge US supply depots largely untouched.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJmDV1Qkpk0

**Berries** · 3rd September 2021, 00:06

Don't they look so happy in those photos above?

**jasonu** · 3rd September 2021, 05:46

https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...st-2021-08-19/
The 16000 night vision goggles has to be a worry. Now the Talibiden can see in the dark.

**F5 Dave** · 3rd September 2021, 07:42

You'd look like that too if you had to wear a dress matched with sneakers.
Maybe TDL should pop over to teach them the way of the lord jesus.

**pete376403** · 3rd September 2021, 07:59

USA has gone home, Taliban find someone else to fight with.
"worlds 8th largest military" shouldn't have too much trouble here:
https://au.news.yahoo.com/taliban-re...124255064.html

**husaberg** · 3rd September 2021, 21:57

Originally Posted by pete376403

The dogs used by the US forces in 'nam were shot by their handlers

All the horses used in the Desert in ww1 by the Aussies were the same.
I would assume the quarantine cost would be the issue rather than transport for the Dogs, the transport logistics for the horses.

**Berries** · 3rd September 2021, 23:35

Nah, it was because they taste like chicken.

**peewee** · 4th September 2021, 05:09

Originally Posted by pete376403

A newscast I saw from Kabul airport showed a lot of the aircraft (fixed and rotor wing) damaged, avionics amd other critical equipment removed, wiring ripped out, etc. Not easily fixed.

theyre already wearing the night vision goggles and driving the humvees around town