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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberk View Post
    Your answer is rather telling
    You wont say that if you the current leader of your preerd Gov is capable of wining the next election.
    If anyone is trying to shift a spotlight off a subject it plainly you.

    So Kiwi built hasnt yet met optimistic targets yet big deal,you didn't want kiwibuild anyway, infact you said we didn't need more houses, National did buggar at al in 9 years about building more houses in Auckland.
    Hiding their head in the stand saying what housing crisis wasnt particually successfeull.
    paying out for endless motel rooms for homless people wasn't successful unless you owned the motels.
    Labour had 2 vyears to fix 9 years of National running down infrastructure and systems.
    They also have to pay off the massive overseas Debt national ran up while there were in power but i guess you dont want to talk about that either.
    Dude, your English is fucking appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Your answer is rather telling
    You wont say that if you the current leader of your preerd Gov is capable of wining the next election.
    If anyone is trying to shift a spotlight off a subject it plainly you.

    So Kiwi built hasnt yet met optimistic targets yet ,big deal,you didn't want kiwibuild anyway, infact you said we didn't need more houses, National did buggar at al in 9 years about building more houses in Auckland.
    Hiding their head in the stand saying what housing crisis wasn't particularly successful.
    paying out for endless motel rooms for homeless people wasn't successful unless you owned the motels.
    Labour had 2 vyears to fix 9 years of National running down infrastructure and systems.
    They also have to pay off the massive overseas Debt national ran up while there were in power but i guess you dont want to talk about that either.
    Actually, I'm fucking busy & fulfilled with a life of excitement & stimulation on a daily basis that I can barely comprehend & arguing with a one eyed person about things I can't change seems a waste of my valuable leisure time.
    Bridges is a fucking helmet & I doubt they would even win tiddly winks with him at the helm.
    There you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Well of course. History amply demonstrates that if you put socialists in power long enough they'll cause capitalism to fail every time, followed immediately by economic collapse.
    The Democrat party in the US of A (Socialist light?) is the party that has to rescue the US economy following a Republican (capitalist) president almost every time. Watch this space, it'll happen again. When Trump was told that his multi trillion tax cuts were unsustainable said he didn't care. "I won't be here."

    Anyhoo, I saw mention of Steven Wallace.

    His family used to run and hide when he nutted off, as he did from time to time. All that is forgotten now though. I'm told his grave is like a shrine, but although it's not very far out of my way I can't be bothered to check. My source was good, both of her parents are in that cemetary. His family are still trying to mount a private prosecution of the police officer involved. Since multiple other enquiries have found no reason to prosecute that does seem pointless.

    Perhaps if Wallace had faced the consequences of his actions earlier he may not need to have done so in such a dramatic fashion. That'd mean the family would have to bear some responsibility though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Actually, I'm fucking busy & fulfilled with a life of excitement & stimulation on a daily basis that I can barely comprehend & arguing with a one eyed person about things I can't change seems a waste of my valuable leisure time.
    Bridges is a fucking helmet & I doubt they would even win tiddly winks with him at the helm.
    There you go.
    Well it was about time you said something sensible, but two things in one post is just showing off.


    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Dude, your English is fucking appalling.
    You would be far more likely to be taken seriously, if you were not over 12 and actually starting a sentence with Dude.
    Or if any of the subjects you ever raised and believed were not high illogical conspiracy theories with no actuall evidence to support them.
    You have made nearly 9000 posts, nearly all of them are total rubbish unrelated to motorbikes.
    The rest are just trolling trying to make yourself feel better about the rather obvious lack length girth plus lack of functionality of your genitals like this one was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberk View Post
    You would be far more likely to be taken seriously, if you were not over 12 and actually starting a sentence with Dude.
    I figured it was more polite than 'shitforbrains'.

    'Cos I know how sensitive you are about that sort of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    This ignores what is a fact. Democrat party in the US of A (Socialist light?) is the party that has to rescue the US economy following a Republican (capitalist) president almost every time.
    Yeah. Those market fluctuations are what happens when people are free to spend their money as they see fit. It's a natural corollary of the freedom to buy and sell without a third party "managing" your market. It can be painful, usually amplified by govts attempting to protect those who chose investments unwisely.

    The definition of socialism is state ownership of the means of production, there is no private property in a socialist state. Which, in turn means property / benefits are disbursed as the state sees fit, based on what they see as "fair" or "equitable". So when I say socialism leads inevitably to economic collapse I'm not just looking at the historic lack of any economically successful socialist states, I'm looking at the fact that economic success for socialism absolutely depends on the state managing that means of production better than the individuals who actually produce the goods / services, while at the same time providing no benefits commensurate to that production. Yeah right.

    It's also true that any govt that wants to control it's citizens to the extent of wanting control over their productive efforts isn't likely to just naturally stop there, the need for control to their own ends isn't something that they'll ever give up progressing. Not even when it becomes obvious that the more they control it the less productive the economy is.

    We're a loooong way further down that rabbit hole than what you laughingly call the US's Socialist light, and the tooth fairly, (an actual full blown communist) would have us go even further. Fuck that. But by all means: change my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Actually, I'm fucking busy & fulfilled with a life of excitement & stimulation on a daily basis that I can barely comprehend & arguing with a one eyed person about things I can't change seems a waste of my valuable leisure time.
    Yeah, just ignore them. Until they come for your retirement savings.

    Rich prick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    and the tooth fairly, (an actual full blown communist) would have us go even further.
    It's funny that someone can be a member of the Socialist Youth party without any negative consequences.

    But if there was someone who'd been a member of the Hitler Youth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    It's funny that someone can be a member of the Socialist Youth party without any negative consequences.

    But if there was someone who'd been a member of the Hitler Youth...
    Individuals are still relatively economically free, here, I must admit.

    But that' so obviously a necessary component for economic success that any threat to restrict that freedom just has to be a bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    I figured it was more polite than 'shitforbrains'.

    'Cos I know how sensitive you are about that sort of thing.
    You should stay away from maths or anything to do with measuring up, Its is not your strong suit.
    Actually ,while your at it. It would be best to stay away from anything that requires logic critical thinking anayasis of results or any research.
    Best you stick to what you are mediocre at, seeking attention with narcissistic trolling. Plus posting stupid conspiracy theories
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    Yeah that's the reason.

    Nothing to do with labour's complete failure to produce even a couple of percent of what they promised.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/pro...s-are-scrapped

    Where did they think the resources to make it work would come from? While in the same breath promising "No New Taxes".
    Funny how quiet you were on GST going to 15%
    Wasn't that what key said ps its on video
    Mr Key's response to the question was: "National is not going to be raising GST. National wants to cut taxes not raise taxes.
    Mr Key went on to say that if a National government was doing "a half decent job" it wouldn't need to either raise GST or raise taxes.
    Not only that
    The 2010 ''tax switch'' has not been fiscally neutral, as promised.
    National passed legislation that halved the KiwiSaver member tax credit in year starting 1 July 2011.
    The asset sales that wouldn't progress unless there was sound financial reasons lost money
    Not only this they progressed despite a referendum that didn't support it.



    1. GST
    The promise: “National is not going to be raising GST. National wants to cut taxes, not raise taxes … what I am saying is if we do a half-decent job as a government at growing our economy I am confident that won't be happening”. (Source: Stuff, 10 February 2010) http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...-video-emerges

    The reality: GST was increased to 15 per cent.

    2. Wage Gap with Australia
    The promise: “That would be a fundamental purpose of our Government, to narrow the wage gap between ourselves and Australia, and to grow local wages in New Zealand.” (Nexus, Waikato University, Issue 13, 3 Jul 2007)

    The reality: The wage gap with Australia has increased by $32 a week.

    3. New Zealanders leaving for Australia
    The promise: We're here today at Westpac Stadium. It holds nearly 35,000 people. And believe it or not, the equivalent of this entire stadium - and more - leaves every year to permanently live in Australia … I'm convinced we can give them a reason, and a purpose, to stay in New Zealand. And that's why I want to be New Zealand's next Prime Minister. (Source: John Key, Ambitious for New Zealand – Meet John Key DVD, 27 November 2007) http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0711/S00545.htm

    The promise: “We’ve got an agenda which is about the economy, it’s about building opportunities, it’s about stopping 80,000 people leaving a year to other parts of the world”. (Source: TV3 Sunrise, 27 August 2008).

    The reality: 100,000 New Zealanders have left for Australia under John Key.

    4. Working for Families
    The promise: “I personally guarantee that we will give families financial certainty by continuing all Working for Families payments at current levels”. (Source: John Key’s Commitment Card 2008)

    The reality: Budget 2011 cut over $400 million from Working for Families by reducing payments through changing abatement rates and thresholds.

    5. Asset Sales
    The promise: “I'm not interested in selling assets – I'm all about building assets”. (John Key Speech, My Key Commitments to You, 12 October 2008) http://www.johnkey.co.nz/archives/50...ts-to-You.html

    The promise: “I personally guarantee that we will maintain and build New Zealand’s asset base by … not selling Kiwibank or any other state-owned company”. (Source: John Key’s Commitment Card 2008)

    The reality: National is already spending the money from the asset sales and Treasury has already hired Australian investment banking firm Lazard Pty as an adviser on the asset sales.
    http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/g...wnership-model http://business.scoop.co.nz/2011/11/...t-sale-advice/

    6. Underclass
    The promise: “I have no intention of being a Prime Minister who tackles only the easy and convenient issues .. But I can tell you that dealing with the problems of our growing underclass is a priority for National, both in opposition and in government”. (Source: John Key Speech, The Kiwi Way: A Fair Go For All, 30 January 2007) http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleID=9215

    The reality: The underclass has grown with 32,000 more children living in benefit dependent households over the past 3 years.


    7. KiwiSaver
    The promise: “Under National, KiwiSaver members will keep their current KiwiSaver entitlements”. (Source: 2008 KiwiSaver – Economic plan: Enduring, affordable KiwiSaver, Bill English).
    http://www.national.org.nz/Article.aspx?ArticleId=28684 and http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=10724513

    The reality: National passed legislation that halved the member tax credit in year starting 1 July 2011.

    8. Cycleway
    The promise: The cycleway would create 4,000 jobs. (Source: Radio New Zealand, 24 March 2009) http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/nation...gs-of-cycleway

    The reality: Only a fraction of that were created – 511 (Source: Question for Written Answer 6075 (2011), John Key, 3 August 2011). http://ourhouse.parliament.nz/en-NZ/...of-Tourism.htm

    9. ECE
    The promise: “We will retain all the existing subsidies and fee controls”. (Source: National Party Media Statement, ECE Policy: Your family – your choice, 11 July 2008, Anne Tolley and Paula Bennett) http://paulabennett.co.nz/index.php?...ur-choice.html

    The reality: Budget 2010 cut ECE subsidies by removing subsidy funding rates for ECE services with 80-99% and 100% registered teachers.

    10. Tax Cuts
    The promise: “The Government would not embark on a policy of increasing GST unless it would benefit the New Zealand economy in the long term and unless it saw the vast bulk of New Zealanders better off”. (Source: John Key, Stuff, Key confirms GST increase being considered, 9 February 2010) http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/poli...ing-considered

    The promise: “The bulk of New Zealanders should be either be no worse off or better off”. (Source: John Key, TV1, Breakfast, 26 January 2010)

    The reality: NZIER released a report that found 60% of households are worse off after National’s tax switch. (Source: Stuff, Higher GST, prices eat tax-cut gains for most, 1 December 2010) http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4407...gains-for-most

    The promise: “This Government introduced a balanced package of tax cuts that were fiscally neutral”. (Source: John Key, Hansard, Question Time, 11 May 2011) http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Bu...e-Minister.htm

    The reality: Budget said the package would cost $465 million in the first year and over $1 billion over four years. In fact, it has cost $1.1 billion in just the first nine months. National is borrowing for tax cuts. (Source: Treasury, Financial Statement of the Government of New Zealand for the year ended 30 June 2011).
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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Labour had 2 years to fix 9 years of...
    No. labour lied through their teeth to get into power, which is their standard approach.
    The gullible believed those lies.
    TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    No. labour lied through their teeth to get into power, which is their standard approach.
    It's the standard approach for the vast majority of politicians - regardless of their party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    It's the standard approach for the vast majority of politicians - regardless of their party.
    From the evidence & track record over the decades, the red menace lies are much bigger and more regular.
    It still attracts the deluded and gullible though.
    TOP QUOTE: “The problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people’s money.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swoop View Post
    From the evidence & track record over the decades, the red menace lies are much bigger and more regular.
    Only if you view it through blue tinted glasses.

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